DougWantsALeaf
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Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:03 pm

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This is kind of spendy, but also seems pretty cool. Anyone considering the box?

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jjeff
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:59 am

I agree looks nice, I couldn't find any info on the circuit required but at $7149 for it configured with a nice 20' CHAdeMO cable and 20' J1772 cable, I'll pass but maybe for a commercial establishment? I'm guessing it will require 3-phase power which would eliminate basically all residences in N. America.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:57 am

Agrees its ridiculous for all but the most opulent of homes. For For business though, if you had a small fleet of EVs, it could make sense.
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:51 am

Does not look like three phase: https://www.dcbel.energy/wp-content/upl ... -sheet.pdf This R16 is very ambitious for 2021.
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:27 pm

It can handle 3 phase.

I'm still not sure about max DC charging though. Might be ~ 16 kW (38 Amps at 400 volts)

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If the PV inverter and smart hub work as expected then this is an extremely modest cost box for a home that wants those functions.
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:30 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:03 pm
Board

This is kind of spendy, but also seems pretty cool. Anyone considering the box?

Dcbel’s r16
https://www.dcbel.energy/packages/?pack ... t-home-hub
BC Hydro uses single phase 25 KW on remote highways with only single phase power available. Better than nothing. They are considered safety sites for winter travelling. Usually two of these and a J1772.

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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:32 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:30 pm
BC Hydro uses single phase 25 KW on remote highways with only single phase power available. Better than nothing. They are considered safety sites for winter travelling. Usually two of these and a J1772.
Nice !
Who is the manufacturer ? The box reminds me of Delta
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jjeff
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:26 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:27 pm
It can handle 3 phase.

I'm still not sure about max DC charging though. Might be ~ 16 kW (38 Amps at 400 volts)

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If the PV inverter and smart hub work as expected then this is an extremely modest cost box for a home that wants those functions.
Pretty sure it's only single phase. They use the term "split-phase +120/-120" but I believe that's just talking about N. America's 240v, two legs of 120v and 240v between them compared to Europe where they have one single leg ~230v. I agree though, looks to require a continuous 64a circuit(80a breaker) which as you said would give a maximum of 38a @ 400v or ~16kw. Looks like the J1772's are capped at 38a or 9.2kw, not sure how that gets divided up if using 2 J1772's at the same time, I mean 32a and 32a would be fine for a 64a continuous circuit but not 38a and 32a.....
It would have been nice if it had accepted 277v(one leg of a 480v commercial circuit) but I suppose that would have required step down transformers as 277v is too high for the J1772 connectors, although I believe Tesla used?(or maybe still does?) accept 277v for it's EVSEs but maybe that's more a car charger thing than EVSE thing.....
I agree though, this EVSE/charger looks like a cool thing, especially for a large dual EVSE home or a small business. I'd think you'd want at least a 200a panel to feed this monster!
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:43 pm

jjeff wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:26 pm
Pretty sure it's only single phase.
Look at page #5 of
https://www.dcbel.energy/wp-content/upl ... -sheet.pdf

Under the schematic they mention a 3phase installation. If I'm reading right, additional hardware is required, and I'm not sure whether the box would then be able to increase its power capacity.

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15 kW DC charging does not rock my boat, but I'll take it for my home as part of a single, inexpensive box that also integrates PV, battery and smart home management. Add in a 30% federal tax credit and it is a bargain if it works as advertised.
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Re: Dcbel 16. Home DC unit

Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:26 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:32 pm
webeleafowners wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:30 pm
BC Hydro uses single phase 25 KW on remote highways with only single phase power available. Better than nothing. They are considered safety sites for winter travelling. Usually two of these and a J1772.
Nice !
Who is the manufacturer ? The box reminds me of Delta
I found a slightly closer picture from another BC Hydro charger. Same situation. Isolated highway and rest stop. Anyway, looks like it could be a delta symbol. These 25 KW units get laughed at but I think they are an important safety feature on these isolated highways. Kudos to BC hydro.

JMHO

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