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OrientExpress
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm

We turned in our '18 LEAF last month and bought a RAV4 Prime PHEV to replace it. It's a great compromise in that it gets 47 miles in pure EV mode which is perfect for our 95% driving and gets between 45 & 120 MPG in hybrid mode for our 5% road trips.

I also have a Taycan Cross Tursimo on order for a late 2021 delivery.
Current EV
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime XSE PHEV
Supersonic Red
Delivery January 29 2021

Prior LEAF:
2018 LEAF SL
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dmacarthur
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Location: Vermont

Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:41 pm

Mister Grumpy here will bet large bills that the RAV (or any other car of its weight, for that matter) will NEVER get 120 MPG when used beyond the EV capability. Drive, say, 200 miles, 40 on the battery and 160 on the ICE, you MAY see 60 MPG but Grumpy doubts it. And as for the RAV mileage when used for long trips: Grumpy doubts 45 but is willing to listen to real life stories. Too much finagling of numbers, let us see some actual info.....
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jjeff
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:22 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm
We turned in our '18 LEAF last month and bought a RAV4 Prime PHEV to replace it. It's a great compromise in that it gets 47 miles in pure EV mode which is perfect for our 95% driving and gets between 45 & 120 MPG in hybrid mode for our 5% road trips.

I also have a Taycan Cross Tursimo on order for a late 2021 delivery.
Grrrr, still waiting for our RAV4 Prime, going off what our dealer said, we should expect to wait another 12-18 months more :(
Mr. Grumpy,
I'm also skeptical about the MPGs on PHEVs but like you are willing to be enlightened. I can understand the ~40 miles of pure EV range but when we go on road trips it's often 400 miles+ without stopping, or at least no opportunity to charge along the way so I'm not sure how it's going to work. Would it be best to use the 40 EV miles up first and then run the last 360 miles in mostly all ICE miles or try and save the EV miles for later?? and risk leaving some in the battery, where we'd be able to fill the battery up once at our destination. In our case for town driving were planning on using almost all EV miles, it's just trip miles I'm not so sure of, although if I could get the 39 EPA highway ICE MPG, I'd probably be mostly happy. Not the 50mpg we get in our current Prius but not bad either for a higher more offroad capable comfortable vehicle, time will tell........
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webeleafowners
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm

WetEV wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:29 pm
webeleafowners wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:26 am
It does. And yes it would be nice to have the big battery. But the way we camp we seldom travel more than a couple hundred kilometers in a day. In B.C. there are so many places to camp and hike. If I travel 100 km in any direction from our little town I ‘ll have passed 5 amazing camping hiking areas.
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1. 4000 pound towing capacity vice 5000 for the model x.

2. The supercharger network has served us well and we don’t want to lose that facility.

3. We have had a very good ownership experience with our Tesla model 3. The car has been flawless and was a champ this winter. And the car just keeps getting better every over the air software update. At this point Tesla has earned our brand loyalty. Not saying the ETron experience wouldn’t be good but at this point we have no reason to look elsewhere.

Jmho.
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:46 pm

Going by what I have read, the recommendation is to use the battery around town and the ICE on the highway. This is because the ICE is more efficient at sustained highway speeds than it is around town. This assumes that the trip will exceed the battery’s capacity.

Your strategy will likely be determined by how much local driving you will do before you can charge again.
jjeff wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:22 pm
Mr. Grumpy,
I'm also skeptical about the MPGs on PHEVs but like you are willing to be enlightened. I can understand the ~40 miles of pure EV range but when we go on road trips it's often 400 miles+ without stopping, or at least no opportunity to charge along the way so I'm not sure how it's going to work. Would it be best to use the 40 EV miles up first and then run the last 360 miles in mostly all ICE miles or try and save the EV miles for later?? and risk leaving some in the battery, where we'd be able to fill the battery up once at our destination. In our case for town driving were planning on using almost all EV miles, it's just trip miles I'm not so sure of, although if I could get the 39 EPA highway ICE MPG, I'd probably be mostly happy. Not the 50mpg we get in our current Prius but not bad either for a higher more offroad capable comfortable vehicle, time will tell........
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:53 am

dmacarthur wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:41 pm
Mister Grumpy here will bet large bills that the RAV (or any other car of its weight, for that matter) will NEVER get 120 MPG when used beyond the EV capability. Drive, say, 200 miles, 40 on the battery and 160 on the ICE, you MAY see 60 MPG but Grumpy doubts it. And as for the RAV mileage when used for long trips: Grumpy doubts 45 but is willing to listen to real life stories. Too much finagling of numbers, let us see some actual info.....
120 MPGe lol
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:58 am

Our first long trip in the RAV4 Prime had a significant amount of mountain interstate driving and always at the traffic speed which was 75-80 mph. I'm quite pleased with the MPG return given the speed and the terrain. Around town and driving mostly in EV mode will easily return 120 mpg, but for freeway ICE/Hybrid use 40+ MPG is totally acceptable. On the first trip we had one individual tank that returned 53 MPG and another that returned 78 mpg, with both being with a tailwind and predominantly downhill. But we also had one tank that only returned 15 mpg with a strong headwind and uphill. Your results may vary.
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G3NG4R
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 am

OrientExpress wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:58 am
Our first long trip in the RAV4 Prime had a significant amount of mountain interstate driving...
How did the PHEV Rav4 do pulling up the mountain interstates? Did you find yourself in want of more power?

I'm eyeing a PHEV to replace my ICE in the next couple of years and I'm curious what your experience was.

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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:41 am

G3NG4R wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 am

How did the PHEV Rav4 do pulling up the mountain interstates? Did you find yourself in want of more power?

I'm eyeing a PHEV to replace my ICE in the next couple of years and I'm curious what your experience was.
The RAV4 Prime is the second most powerful vehicle in Toyota's lineup today with about 310 combine HP. I found that it had no issue accelerating or staying with traffic on the mountain interstates. I found it amusing that I would be in the fast lane doing 75 on an uphill straight with some cheeky SUV coming up behind me doing 90 and would start a right lane pass. I would just accelerate up to a 100-110 to leave him behind.

This RAV is very fast with the battery always keeping at least 10% capacity for acceleration with the ICE.
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Re: What is going to be your next EV?

Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:47 pm

I'm wrapped up in my usual "Let's make a deal" negotiations for my next car. I'm negotiating with my housemate, who prefers driving my SL, to possibly take over her SV+ lease, while she/the household buy the SL off lease for her to drive. Failing that, I'm looking at leasing a Brilliant Silver "Base" 40kwh SV with Tech package (All Weather Package is no more for the SV - yay!...unless they dropped the heat pump) for about $229, and selling the SL to Carmax for most or all of the $1500 down payment on the SV. I could lease a Super Black SV+ for $254, but that requires a much larger DP, and I don't need a second car with 200+ miles of range. I would struggle to drive that far, these days.
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