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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:50 am

Thanks GlennD, that helps a lot.

Sounds like my best bet is to sell the original OEM EVSE and look for a used 40A cable. The only thing left then is to decide whether to run a 50A or 40A circuit. I think I have a spare 50A breaker already so I guess that's an easy choice.

Another question, if you don't mind.....

I read somewhere that the NEC limits the length of the cable from the receptacle to the EVSE box to 18". Is that right? I have a used 14-50 plug/cable that is about 3' long that I'd like to use. Worst case I can cut it down and re-crimp the terminals but I'd rather not unless that is required.

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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:09 am

^Never mind....

I think I found the answer and it appears that up to 6' is acceptable.

2014 Code Language:

625.44 Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment Connection. Electric vehicle supply equipment shall be permitted to be cord- and plug-connected to the premises wiring system in accordance with one of the following:

(A) Connections to 125-Volt, Single-Phase, 15- and 20-Ampere Receptacle Outlets. Electric vehicle supply equipment intended for connection to nonlocking, 2-pole, 3-wire grounding-type receptacle outlets rated at 125 V, single phase, 15 and 20 amperes or from a supply of less than 50 volts dc.

(B) Connections to Other Receptacle Outlets. Electric vehicle supply equipment that is rated 250 V maximum and complying with all of the following:

(1) It is intended for connection to nonlocking, 2-pole, 3-wire and 3-pole, 4-wire, grounding-type receptacle outlets rated not more than 50 amperes.

(2) EVSE is fastened in place to facilitate any of the following:

Ready removal for interchange
Facilitation of maintenance and repair
Repositioning of portable, movable, or EVSE fastened in place

(3) Power-supply cord length for electric vehicle supply equipment fastened in place is limited to 1.8 m (6 ft).

(4) Receptacles are located to avoid physical damage to the flexible cord.

All other electric vehicle supply equipment shall be permanently wired and fastened in place to the supporting surface, a wall, a pole, or other structure. The electric vehicle supply equipment shall have no exposed live parts.

http://www.electricallicenserenewal.com ... onID=166.0

edit:

It looks like that is the 2014 code and the 2017 code is different. I guess I'll check with my local inspector when he comes out to inspect the new breaker box I need to put in first.

625.17 Cords and Cables.(9)(A) Power Supply Cord.The cable for cord-connected equipment shall comply with all of the following:(1) Be any of the types specified in (B)(1) or Hard Service Cord, Junior Hard Service Cord and Portable Power Cabletypes in accordance with Table 400.4. Hard Service Cord, Junior Hard Service Cord and Portable Power Cabletypes shall be listed, as applicable, for exposure to oil and damp and wet locations.Exception:A power supply cord that is listed as a part of the electric vehicle supply equipment orelectric vehicle charging system. (2) Have an ampacity as specified in Table 400.5(A)(1) or, for 8 AWG and larger, in the 60 C columns of Table 400.5(A)(2).(3) Have an overall length as specified in (a) or (b):(a) When the interrupting device of the personnel protection system specified in 625.22 is located within the enclosure of the supply equipment or charging system, the power supply cord shall be no more than 300 mm (12 in.) long,(b) When the interrupting device of the personnel protection system specified in 625.22 is located at the attachment plug, or within the first 300 mm (12 in.) of the power supply cord, the overall cord length shall be a minimum of 1.8 m (6 ft) and shall be no greater than 4.6 m (15 ft).

http://mydocs.epri.com/docs/publicmeeti ... oposal.pdf
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:14 am

goldbrick wrote:I searched but couldn't find an answer....

Can someone tell me the current rating of the J1772 cord/plug for the Nissan-supplied, portable EVSE that came with a 2017 Leaf S ?
PN is 29690 3NF2E.

I'm building an OpenEVSE and want to know if I can cannibalize the cord and handle from the portable EVSE that came with the car. TIA.
I would note that the dealer price for the Nissan EVSE is probably several hundred dollars. If you sell it on eBay you won't get that much, but I'm sure you'd get enough to pay for a decent 40a J1772 cable and plug set, maybe more. Also be aware that in a leasing situation, you're expected to return the supplied EVSE.
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:17 am

Right. I was hoping to find someone who needed it to return with their leased car. I've looked at little at ebay and they seem to go for $150-$200. I'm in no hurry but don't want to toss it out either.

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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:00 pm

I only got $140 for the Lear EVSE out of my totaled B. Mercedes wanted $1000 for it. Lear has a very bad reputation from the VOLT EVSE's
Leaf EVSE's seem to go with the bag for less than $200 on eBay.
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:02 pm

After further research, it appears that according the 2017 NEC, a plug-in EVSE can use a max of 12" of cable between the plug and the unit and also requires a GFCI breaker to be used (at least for 240V/50A) inside the breaker box. This is in addition to any GFCI capability inside the EVSE unit itself.

The breakers are about $100 and I don't want to mess with trying to re-crimp the cable I have or buying a new one so I'm planning to hard-wire my OpenEVSE box. This should eliminate the cord length issue and I can use a non-GFCI breaker in the box.

I'd guess this has been covered here before but I thought I'd mention it again for anyone planning to go the OpenEVSE route.

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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:07 pm

For me, I'd never sell it and keep it in the trunk. It allows you to charge almost anywhere there is 120 VAC available in an emergency. Note that I've had to use it with an extension cord at the front of my house after total shutdown of my Leaf about 100 yards from my house. No way I could push it up the driveway to my OpenEVSE 240 VAC controller. I just had to know how far I could "push" the Leaf (literally as it turned out). :mrgreen:

A second time was going to my Son's house without the proper connector (miscommunication) and spending the night charging to get back! Just saying.....

Might find a used/new cable on ebay and buy the connectors needed - probably much cheaper if you feel comfortable with a little "assembly".
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:21 pm

Yeah, I carry an OpenEVSE with me. It is cheap insurance. I may never use it but it comes along for the ride.
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:17 pm

By the way, GFCI breakers trip at 5MA. The J1772 spec is 20MA so they are not comparable. Most of the time you can get away with it. I know OpenEVSE changed the sense resistors to 47K instead of the MFG recommended 22K to be under 5MA.
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Re: OpenEVSE - Open Source Charging Station

Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:47 pm

I have a Ronni and I love it. My gas line was 1 1/4 already so I lucked out. A Long Beach Gas employee said that I needed to upgrade the meter but I do not use the heater while taking a shower. Everything works well. The nice thing about being a City employee is that the advice is free..
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