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Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:48 pm
by Spies
6-50P is what comes on the Blink EVSE for what it's worth. Which reminds me that I need to make/acquire an L6-20R to 6-50P adapter.

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:22 am
by leafkabob
wwhitney wrote:
Ingineer wrote:
IIRC the code only requires AFCI in bedrooms currently.


That was the 2002 NEC. Under the 2008 NEC, effective in CA since January 1, 2011, most residential 120V 15A/20A receptacles are to be AFCI protected (excluding kitchen, bathrooms and a few other things).
I am in Phoenix Arizona and took out a building permit for an addition to my house three weeks ago in which the 2008 NEC is the applicable code. I am only required to put AFCIs in the bedrooms.

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:11 am
by wwhitney
leafkabob wrote:I am in Phoenix Arizona and took out a building permit for an addition to my house three weeks ago in which the 2008 NEC is the applicable code. I am only required to put AFCIs in the bedrooms.
Then Arizona amended the 2008 NEC when they adopted it. The original text reads:
2008 NEC 210.12(B) wrote: Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit interrupter, combination-type, installed to provide protection of the branch circuit.
Cheers, Wayne

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:39 am
by GeekEV
nater wrote:Geek, are you sure that you saw a 6-50 at an RV park? I suspect you saw a TT-30; a 120v 30amp connector that is useless for Phil's mod.

Just curious if 6-50s are more common than I thought...

Nate
No, I'm not. I haven't made any field trips to RV parks myself. But I remember coming across some online discussions about Tesla owners using their EVSE at RV parks with 6-50 plugs...

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:33 pm
by LEAFer
GeekEV wrote:
nater wrote:Geek, are you sure that you saw a 6-50 at an RV park? I suspect you saw a TT-30; a 120v 30amp connector that is useless for Phil's mod.

Just curious if 6-50s are more common than I thought...

Nate
No, I'm not. I haven't made any field trips to RV parks myself. But I remember coming across some online discussions about Tesla owners using their EVSE at RV parks with 6-50 plugs...
I think they meant to say (or you mis-remembered) 14-50. An RV park's "50 amp service" is based on the NEMA14-50R. That's not to say that you won't find 6-50's, but in my experience and opinion, that would be dwarfed by the 14-50s. ( I don't recall looking for or seeing 6-50s in a few RV parks I have been to; but I did find 14-50s. )

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:39 pm
by Herm
Milbank Power Panel, for BEVs

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http://www.stefanoparis.com/piaev/WhyWe ... talls.html

This panel has two 14-50R sockets..

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:10 pm
by nater
Nice pic. There are pics of me on his website too.

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:19 pm
by GeekEV
LEAFer wrote:I think they meant to say (or you mis-remembered) 14-50. An RV park's "50 amp service" is based on the NEMA14-50R. That's not to say that you won't find 6-50's, but in my experience and opinion, that would be dwarfed by the 14-50s. ( I don't recall looking for or seeing 6-50s in a few RV parks I have been to; but I did find 14-50s. )
Herm wrote:This panel has two 14-50R sockets..
That's entirely possible. This is my first EV, so I don't claim to be an expert on charging in the field. All my info is based on what I've seen others post about. I just coordinated getting the adapters made, you're on your own to decide what you need. But we offer a 14-50 adapter too. Heck, get the whole set and you'll definitely be covered! :lol:

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:09 pm
by QueenBee
Back in July I was asking about the L1 charging brick. My question stemmed from the Nissan FAQ saying it was 20 amp instead of 15 amp. The customer service rep didn't seem that knowledgeable as he had trouble with my 15/20 and 5-15P vs 5-20P questions I asked. Then I asked why the "trickle charger" was only suggested for emergencies and I got this response which I wonder if it's even true and then if it is true what effect this upgrade has.
Ryan wrote:Trickle charging is unlike the SAE J1772 protocol used for the 220/240 volt 'Level 2' charging. The J1772 standard utilizes communication thru powerline technology to signal that the battery is approaching full capacity, instructing the charging dock to slow the rate of charge to prevent overheating. This will, over the life of the battery, prolong useful capacity. The trickle charger doesn't use this technology, but should not have a substantial effect on the battery capacity if used only occasionally.

Re: Nissan L1 EVSE third-party upgrade to both 120V and 240V

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:34 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
I will revisit that and see. But my 120 volt charger slows its charging rate down. Normally it runs at 11.52 amps give or take. 05 amps.... Perth consistent but ha e seen it at. 8 and 5 kwh as it was trickling downdown. I am close to full I wi try it tonight and see what happens. No promises