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jlv
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Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:14 pm

My son is considering picking up a used LEAF to commute in. He's got two initial choices:
2015 SV, $8500, 63K miles, 11 bars link
2018 SV, $17000, 24K miles link

I'm hooking him up with LeafSpyPro to read the state of the batteries.

He's in Oregon and has a 10 mile commute round trip. The LEAF wouldn't ever go much more than around town. They already have a pickup they use for camping, back country skiing trips, off road travels, etc, and an old Accord.

I'm not sure the 2018 is worth double the 2015. Opinions?
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:15 pm

That '18 Leaf sounds pricey considering how much used Bolts are going for...

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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:18 pm

10 mile round trip? I'd go with the 2015 and replace the battery if/when he needs more range. My folks live 10 hilly miles from town out in the country and they are doing great with a 11 bar 2013 Leaf. They put in a L2 charger in the garage which they really like since now it can be ready to go anywhere it is going to go in an hour or less.

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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:21 pm

jlv wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:14 pm
I'm not sure the 2018 is worth double the 2015. Opinions?
Unless he needs twice the range, he's still going to have more than enough mileage just for work with the 2015. Unless he wants to expand the vehicle to kind of a "everything" vehicle for work, chores, shopping, visiting nearby friends/relatives/etc that will require more mileage or he wants to turn it into a backup generator for power outages. Battery upgrade is possible on the 2015, but for the extra $8k to $10k it may cost to do that, you basically have the 2018 with newer tech, styling, more warranty, etc. if it really comes down to price. I would say it depends on if he just wants a reliable vehicle for point A to point B driving or wants some extra mileage for a point C trip sometimes, it totally depends on what he wants or plans to do with it.
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:29 pm

To my mind it's a no brainer - the 2015. Oregon climate is pretty ideal, so that 2015 will likely have years of useful life left. By then, he'll want something different anyways.
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:47 am

I think both cars are over-priced.
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 am

I agree both prices are on the high side, even though EV prices vary widely by location.

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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:06 am

That price is decent for OR and the PNW in general. Likely because battery packs degrade slower here so people are willing to pay a little more.

This 2015 SL appears to still have 12 capacity bars and is only slightly more expensive:

https://nissanofportland.com/vehicle/us ... 3FC329078/

With a little bargaining, it might be worth a little bit more (SL, so likely all the features including DCFC)
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:26 pm

My son is now thinking it would be good to use the EV for the 32 mile trip to where he and his wife rock climb, or for the 36 mile trip up to the top of a nearby peak (2000' elevation gain). Both of those would be a challenge for a 24kWh battery without some range anxiety. And he's looking at LEAFs in and around Portland.
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Re: Choices: 2015 SV or 2018 SV

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:47 pm

I guess he needs to decide if eliminating a little range anxiety is worth almost $9k ;)
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LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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