LeftieBiker
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:18 pm

The heat pump and heated front seats (rear seat heating was dropped around 2015 or 2016) are an option from 2018 on, and possibly from 2017 - I'm not sure about the latter. That really sucks.

The "all weather package" for the S consists of the heated seats, heated steering wheel, and rear heater duct. Still no heat pump for the S.
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PotRoastMan
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:41 pm

My understanding is that SV and SL from 2013+ have the heat pump, it is absolutely a requirement for me!
And 2016 has 30kwh too..? And best part is it's local. I will go check it out tonight or tomorrow.

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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:59 pm

PotRoastMan wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:41 pm
My understanding is that SV and SL from 2013+ have the heat pump, it is absolutely a requirement for me!
And 2016 has 30kwh too..? And best part is it's local. I will go check it out tonight or tomorrow.
The 2013 you were looking at does have a heat pump. You are correct that SV/SL 2013 has it.

2015 and earlier all have 24 kWh batteries. The 2016 has a 30 kWh battery IF it's SV/SL. S trim still had a 24 kWh battery in 2016. 2017 made 30 kWh standard across all trim levels.

Any car manufactured before 4/2013 has a defective battery chemistry UNLESS the battery was later replaced. Avoid these.

2011/2012 don't have a heat pump and they have more inefficient heat. I would avoid these for Minnesota.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:49 pm

2015 and earlier all have 24 kWh batteries. The 2016 has a 30 kWh battery IF it's SV/SL. S trim still had a 24 kWh battery in 2016. 2017 made 30 kWh standard across all trim levels.

This is tricky, but in 2016 the S had a 24kwh battery for about the first half of the year. Then, in June or July, IIRC, the S got the 30kwh battery as well. The VIN will show which. I seem to recall that an A in the 4th(?) place in the VIN means 24kwh, and a B means 30kwh.
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PotRoastMan
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:37 pm

So I drove the 2016 SL and it is nice, I want it. It was on the quick charger when I arrived, and maybe 50% full. The turtle was on the whole time, and the car said it was due to low temperature. It has been below zero Fahrenheit for the last two days, and at the moment it is around 5 degrees. Is this expected, or a red flag?

I found the owners manual does say the turtle can come on when the battery is -4 F and it has been that cold the last two days. It is warmer now, but probably the battery did not get warmer today. The car seemed to drive normally nonetheless.

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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:56 pm

You have a better shot with the 2016, the 2013 you sent the link for is nice, but doesn't have the upgraded sound system (missing in pictures), appears to also have the false floor storage in the back. Subtract the missing sound system upgrade from their price if your heart is set on that 2013.
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:00 pm

PotRoastMan wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:37 pm
....

I found the owners manual does say the turtle can come on when the battery is -4 F and it has been that cold the last two days. It is warmer now, but probably the battery did not get warmer today. The car seemed to drive normally nonetheless.
Turtle mode should be for low battery or electronics issue, extreme temperatures just limit power usage (power bubbles) Unless someone here else has seen a turtle mode for low temperature vs. high temperature warnings?
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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:23 pm

To be clear, the car audio spoke and said something about power limitation. Upon pushing the info button, it displayed the warning about low temperature. And I found in the 2016 Owners Manual, page 2-20 (page 159 on the PDF).

This light illuminates in the following conditions.
-Li-ion battery available charge is extremely low
-Li-ion battery temperature is very low (approximately -4°F (-20°C)
-When the temperature of the EV system is high
(motor, inverter, coolant system, Li-ion battery etc.)
-When the EV system has a malfunction.

I am planning to buy tomorrow. And the weather is getting better, so tomorrow that light better be off!
The dealer has a 7 day return policy just in case.

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Re: 2013 pricing

Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:43 pm

knightmb wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:56 pm
You have a better shot with the 2016, the 2013 you sent the link for is nice, but doesn't have the upgraded sound system (missing in pictures), appears to also have the false floor storage in the back. Subtract the missing sound system upgrade from their price if your heart is set on that 2013.

The car has Premium Package, as evidenced by the Around View, and it appears to have the Bose stereo as well. The sub-woofer is hidden under the cargo organizer.
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Re: 2013 pricing

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:16 am

I haven't had a chance to read this thread yet...
Lothsahn wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:12 pm
Think the 2013 is too high on price. Why not cwerdna? He was trying to sell his (in CA) for something like $6500? At least he's a trustworthy guy on this site and you know you're not getting a lemon. And if you are, it's $4k below the linked price.
I'm trying to sell it for $6200 at the moment. But, unfortunately, we're far apart. If the OP needs CHAdeMO, my car doesn't have it.

I'm just shy of 67K miles now and still at 11 bars. By either EOD Thursday or next Wednesday, it'll be at 67K. Leaf Spy SOH has now been staying in tthe 81.xx% range now.

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