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L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:40 am

Okay, now that we know the rumor of the L3 being standard on the SL was false, is it worth the expense? Given that we are all early adopters and the infrastructure is not there right now (but will be in the next year or two for those in EV markets), should we go ahead and pay the premium for the L3 option since there is no add-on after purchase? I was going to purchase the car since my finance rate is much lower than the lease "money rate", but now I'm thinking of leasing for 4 years instead of buying and wait until the L3 is standard as well as having a better on board charger (3.3 vs. 6.6) and hopefully a better range battery on the second version of the Leaf. Any thoughts?

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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:50 am

If you buy the L3 DC Option, you will have the CAPABILITY for an after-market DC charger, such as the PFC-50 made by manzanita micro, this could get you much faster charging (12KW), with more AC power availble. Without the DC port, it won't be possible to use an aftermarket charger, easily.

http://www.manzanitamicro.com/index.php ... &Itemid=64

The fact that you have the DC charging port also increases the value of the Leaf for resale, it's very likely the Chademo connector could be changed out for the new SAE version, eventually.
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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:05 am

I can't believe that you can't get the L3 port added at a later point. We don't even know what the standard is going to be here? Would it be that hard for the dealer to add the port later?

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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:03 am

Adding the needed high-voltage, high-current wiring might be the issue.
Forgetting to "pull the plug" on the battery and working on live circuits
would be ... very dangerous.

Yes, the QC would be "easy" to add if the accessory was designed for
"later addition", and the car was wired for it, but maybe there is some
front-to-back wiring that is needed, for the QC Charging Controller.

I will not get the LEAF without the QC option.
Without the QC, I consider the LEAF a Local-Area car, and that would
be sufficient for many people and their uses. However, I would like to
do "way-point" charging to Range-Enhance, traveling North past LA, East to
Palm Springs (eventually Phoeix), and South to San Diego.

When the QC stations are along I-5, I will be able to drive to Oregon, and
to visit friends in Seattle. Of course, the fees to use the QC stations might
be way too high to be economical, but ... I hope not, in interest of facilitating
the transition to EV transportation.
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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:19 am

Definitely getting it. Of course, I'd like for it to be a tad cheaper, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Still, if I'm spending almost $200 on a set of floor mats...... I guess it's all relative. At least the deal I'm getting from my PD will help offset the extra cost.
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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:30 am

I really think you will be able to get "an" L3 installed later.

Nissan just doesn't want to deal with them during the early roll-out phase. I think that is their only reason for saying you can't add the current option after the sale.

In a year, with finalized specs and more manufacturers, and when Nissan service departments are more familiar with working on the Leaf, no problem.

Just not right now.

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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:37 am

Torn a bit on this...

One, I'm in New Mexico...we won't even have LEAFs officially until around Christmas of 2011...So I'm sure there won't be any fast chargers for at least a couple of years here. Sadly...

Two, I will be using my LEAF for purely city commuting...

But...Three...I would like the LEAF to be future proof...If I buy it I will be giving it to my daughter...so it would be nice if it was a "complete" car

Gah...I will probably never use Level 3 charging on this first gen LEAF...but part of me hates to buy an electric car without this feature.

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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:59 am

I'm going to get it installed. $700 isn't too horrible for that capability (though it should be standard)

However I'm really hoping that I finally get accepted into ECOtality so it'll be FREE. :)
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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:09 pm

Not for me, I will pass on the $700 option. I also have a gas vehicle for long trips and for me I see no use in having the quick charge.
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Re: L3 Charger...is it worth the $700?

Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:21 pm

Ready2plugin wrote:Okay, now that we know the rumor of the L3 being standard on the SL was false, is it worth the expense? Given that we are all early adopters and the infrastructure is not there right now (but will be in the next year or two for those in EV markets), should we go ahead and pay the premium for the L3 option since there is no add-on after purchase? I was going to purchase the car since my finance rate is much lower than the lease "money rate", but now I'm thinking of leasing for 4 years instead of buying and wait until the L3 is standard as well as having a better on board charger (3.3 vs. 6.6) and hopefully a better range battery on the second version of the Leaf. Any thoughts?
First of all, I never heard the rumor that the L3 charging port was standard on SL, except for the EV Project people, and that's not a rumor. What we don't know yet is whether the SV will have the DC port with the EV Project. I think it will. Secondly, thousands of EV stations (some DC) will be in place before the car is delivered in Dec./Jan. in the EV Project areas. Maybe you were talking about outside the EV Project areas?
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