Taxation is merely a legalized form of extortion. Always has been. Having said that, the use of taxes to fund social programs ( that includes roads, schools, police, and the military) is preferable to trying to get private companies to do the same things and is much better than building estates for the aristocrats and funding their lavish lifestyles(trickle down economy, anyone). There are things that are done better by government entities and some things that can only be done by them (national defense or Fire Departments for instance).powersurge wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:08 amThese propositions are ridiculous... As a citizen, anyone who is "asking for" - Registration x weight x miles x type of car x gas x ???? taxes is looking to let the government tax people into oblivion. This is asking for the government to intervene and find clever ways to know your every move, to the point of knowing how many breaths you take.. Do you want them to do that too?GRA wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:17 pmNubo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:44 am
But a gasoline tax does little to provide the equitable assessment you seek, with fuel efficiency of passenger vehicles vary by a factor of 6:1. Factor in passengers and you've got potential disparities of 50:1 or greater. And now for EVs we have miles factored out altogether. I can see a surcharge for heavy trucks that actually do significant damage but for a typical car, the cost to maintain the road is going to be practically the same whether you drive it or not. Any signal from gasoline tax is lost in the noise. It's an antiquated model from a time when cars were toys for the rich.
Please note that I'm not suggesting a gas tax by itself, I want a weight x mileage annual registration fee plus a fuel (carbon) tax. The weight x mileage fee handles the road wear and tear, the fuel tax takes care of differences in (fossil-fuel) efficiency as well as air pollution effects. It's not perfect, as weights can vary widely especially with commercial vehicles, but it's workable and a lot more equitable than a flat annual fee for EVs. Making the reg. fee weight-based encourages people to buy a smaller, lighter and AOTBE more efficient car, especially if we base the reg. fee on the GVWR instead of empty or curb weight (which should cut down on people choosing to commute solo in what cwerdna refers to as "Battering Ram of Death"-class SUVs), and multiplying that by mileage encourages people to drive less. I went over to Pay-as-you-drive mileage-based insurance for just that reason, because it causes me to think on every trip about what it will cost me to drive over and above fuel costs, or use my bike or public transit for that trip. Granted, many people don't want to make that calc or would consider it not worth their time, but shouldn't one of the points of these taxes be to force people to confront the true costs of externalities that they'd rather ignore, and preferably have other people pay for (see my desire for a Central Command fuel tax for the same reason)?
Since the beginning, our taxes were collected from all citizens so as to provide the national infrastructure,... and it has worked. We are paying too many taxes every year, for every service that used to be free. Phone, cell phone, light, water, tv, internet, mail.. ad infinitum.. We do not need people offering to add more ways for the government to control us..
Taxation of corporations vs private citizens is simply a false argument. If you tax a business, the business merely passes the cost on to the consumer. It becomes a cost of business and a hidden use tax to the consumer. VAT is simply an upfront way of doing that but it is still the consumer who pays for it in the end. Politicians always look for some way to sugarcoat new taxes. Earmarks or special funds are favorites along with taxes that only target "others" (hotel taxes and special use taxes come to mind). Governments never tax you into oblivion, just enough to make you wince but not scream.