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New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:17 pm

The government has decided that the less than 1,500 electric vehicles registered in the state (as of 2018) aren't paying for their fair share of road wear and tear.
That's BS because I guarantee that there are at least thousands of unregistered or expired registration gas burners in the state on the roads daily not paying their obligatory share of fees and taxes.

So far it's not even a bill yet just talk from a state rep who belongs to the party that never heard of a tax they didn't like the sound of.
He says it should be a weight and milage tax.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:34 am

I think your title is overly dramatic. The second generation of EVs has been on the market since 2011 here in CA, and has had an 8 year run of little to no road taxes or other fees.

I don't think it's fair for my neighbors to have to pay my share of road taxes. I'm driving two EVs and I think it is time to pay. Here in CA, they are starting a $100 fee next year for EVs. It's a simple start; if they calculated the fee individually by mileage some people would pay less because of reduced mileage and some would pay more.

Not charging any EVs road maintenance fees is unsustainable as the numbers grow. There is lots of road work to be done, so revenue has to go up and not down. Here in San Diego, we have almost 50,000 EVs on the road. It's time to pay for our share of road maintenance fees...It has nothing to do with EV hate....

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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:43 am

My question is... What tax are cars paying, what are EVs paying, and how is this tax being charged? In registrations?

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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:53 am

cars pay tax per gallon of gasoline, EVs dont pay that tax. Here in WA i have to pay 150$ a year for my gas tax that i am skipping out on.. a bit lame, because that is more than a normal car would pay in gas taxes, but it is a reasonable approach. i would much rather prefer a flat fee over a mileage based one.

Since cars are getting more fuel efficient, then the gas tax realistically needs to go up, but that is political suicide to most so that is unlikely to happen soon.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:04 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:17 pm

He says it should be a weight and milage tax.
A fair tax would be based on the wear and damage a vehicle does to the roads.

A fair tax would be something like axle weight cubed times number of axles times mileage times speed squared.

Yet recording mileage isn't realistic. Recording speed less so.

Yes, EVs should pay somewhat more than gas cars. Trucks and buses should pay most of the tax, as they do most of the wear and damage.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:13 am

estomax wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:53 am
cars pay tax per gallon of gasoline, EVs dont pay that tax. Here in WA i have to pay 150$ a year for my gas tax that i am skipping out on.. a bit lame, because that is more than a normal car would pay in gas taxes, but it is a reasonable approach. i would much rather prefer a flat fee over a mileage based one.

Since cars are getting more fuel efficient, then the gas tax realistically needs to go up, but that is political suicide to most so that is unlikely to happen soon.
No more on EV car fees, if results hold up.

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/cur ... o-976.html

Eastern Washington has again repealed Seattle area car tabs to fund mass transit. Oh, and repealed the EV tab fee.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:18 am

Randy wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:34 am
I think your title is overly dramatic. The second generation of EVs has been on the market since 2011 here in CA, and has had an 8 year run of little to no road taxes or other fees.

I don't think it's fair for my neighbors to have to pay my share of road taxes. I'm driving two EVs and I think it is time to pay. Here in CA, they are starting a $100 fee next year for EVs. It's a simple start; if they calculated the fee individually by mileage some people would pay less because of reduced mileage and some would pay more.

Not charging any EVs road maintenance fees is unsustainable as the numbers grow. There is lots of road work to be done, so revenue has to go up and not down. Here in San Diego, we have almost 50,000 EVs on the road. It's time to pay for our share of road maintenance fees...It has nothing to do with EV hate....
FYI at my states 25.5c/gallon, figuring 30mpg which I consider to be a conservative figure for an ICE equivalent MPG to the Leaf, the amount of gas tax I'd pay per year figuring 10,000 miles which again I consider very conservative as most people probably only drive the Leaf in town due it it's very limited 70 mile range(I average a little over 6k miles/year) would come to $95 in MN gas tax, $159 in CA with their 47.3/gal gas tax.
MN implemented a $70 "EV" tax a few years back which I figure costs me slightly more than if I drove an equivalent ICE!
I'll let you decide if it's fair that someone who drives an EV should pay more gas taxes/year than an equivalent ICE, keeping in mind the overall health benefits to everyone when someone drives an EV and not a noxious belching ICE. I won't even get into the US propping up(providing military aid) to countries where the only reason we're there is because of oil, to feed our never-ending thirst......
I'm not saying EVs should pay no tax, just not more than ICEs.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:41 am

I agree that the majority of road fees should be weight based. Add in a penalty for polluters if you wish.

But most of the damage to our roads and highways are from heavy trucks, not a Nissan leaf.
Over the years they have closed all the weight stations around the country so I'm always curious how they properly tax trucks based on their weight.
Do companies self report weight? I'm SURE that would be done honestly...
Or are they just not taxing trucks on weight anymore?

One of the few weight stations I have still seen open in my area is going up CA-58 toward Tehachapi from Mojave.
I'm not sure why that one has survived - BUT my guess is that CA (or the county) has recognized that trucks are tearing up 58.
That freeway is a mess and needs serious work. Especially to meet CA's plan to turn it into an I-40 extension.
Trucks have torn the crap out of the right lane on 58 up there.

Don't get me wrong, we need trucks, they bring us everything. But we need to pay for the fact they are tearing up our roads.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:34 am

Replacing fuel taxes with a weight-distance charge is probably premature, but it makes sense when the time comes to stop subsidizing EVs.
WetEV wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:04 am
A fair tax would be based on the wear and damage a vehicle does to the roads.

A fair tax would be something like axle weight cubed times number of axles times mileage times speed squared.

Yet recording mileage isn't realistic. Recording speed less so.

Yes, EVs should pay somewhat more than gas cars. Trucks and buses should pay most of the tax, as they do most of the wear and damage.
Recording mileage isn't that difficult, though there is the possibility of increased odometer fraud. Why count speed in the formula though? In addition to the difficulties and privacy implications of monitoring it, the worst damage to roads from heavy vehicles happens in front of traffic lights where they sit in one place for a while, then apply large forces to the road to get moving again.
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Re: New Mexico government had decided they hate electric vehicles

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:17 am

One politician makes a reasonable (on its surface, anyway) suggestion that road repair costs should be tied to use and related damage and OP is off to the rant races.

This thread is a waste of time.
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