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Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:05 am
by LTLFTcomposite
Oilpan4 wrote: Why couldn't the Obama administration accomplish this. They said they cared about the environment. Or did they just March to the drum beat of the nimby useful idiots and other noisy special interest groups?
One of life's biggest misconceptions is that career politicians hold deep-seated personal beliefs. It's all a show; behind the facade they're triangulating to position themselves to retain power. The worst offenders, and the ones most masterful at it, are the ones with no personal success outside the political arena who are completely dependent in keeping and advancing their positions. Obama is an amateur at the game compared to the Clintons, but like Trump he caught them off guard as they underestimated the electorate's ability to see through them.

Meanwhile we should all be thankful for the massive carbon emissions avoided by not flying Nancy Pelosi and her entourage halfway around the world for no legitimate purpose. Just one of those little things that's helping to save the planet.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:08 am
by LTLFTcomposite
SageBrush wrote: THEN you can preach to other countries.
China is wonderful, we should try to be more like them. You don't see barriers and walls there.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:15 am
by Oilpan4
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote: Why couldn't the Obama administration accomplish this. They said they cared about the environment. Or did they just March to the drum beat of the nimby useful idiots and other noisy special interest groups?
One of life's biggest misconceptions is that career politicians hold deep-seated personal beliefs. It's all a show; behind the facade they're triangulating to position themselves to retain power. The worst offenders, and the ones most masterful at it, are the ones with no personal success outside the political arena who are completely dependent in keeping and advancing their positions. Obama is an amateur at the game compared to the Clintons, but like Trump he caught them off guard as they underestimated the electorate's ability to see through them.

Meanwhile we should all be thankful for the massive carbon emissions avoided by not flying Nancy Pelosi and her entourage halfway around the world for no legitimate purpose. Just one of those little things that's helping to save the planet.

I think that exposed a fair amount of fraud, waste and abuse. What was it? 17 government officials, having over 100 family members tag along?
I understand official business but that reeks of screwing off on the tax payers dime.
It's like they have forgotten who works for who.
Anyone who thinks that any politicians goals are in line with your best interests is an idiot.
The only possible exception to that is when you get someone who doesn't care about politics that gets in there. For a brief time they might care about the voter and doing the right thing until they realize what they are up against and figure out they are better off just shutting up, coloring, taking the money and going through the motions.
You want to see what going to Washington and trying to doing the right thing gets you, look up Daniel best and Dr David kelly.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:57 pm
by WetEV
How's your golf cart doing?

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:09 am
by Oilpan4
A new poll says that 68% of America are unwilling to pay $10 a month to fight climate change.
57% of Americans would pay $1.
I would pay a dollar, if I didn't already drive an electric car and burn renewable, waste fire wood for most of my home heating.
Oh and all that money I spent planting trees on my land.
Then also I plan on paying cash for a 2017 hyundai sonata plug in hybrid lease turn in later this year. I'm going to need that $.

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-ameri ... ge-1304048

Edit: clarified it's $10 a month, I neglected to assign the time value. Cause just saying it's "$10" doesn't even tell half the story.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:23 am
by LeftieBiker
So few people seem to realize that if climate change isn't mitigated, they personally will lose. It goes against human nature to subsidize positive change for selfish assholes - until we realize that we are all pretty much the same, and the climate won't be picking good people to spare and bad people to kill in 20 years.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:32 am
by Oilpan4
Like I have always said, people say they want to fix climate change until they have to pay for it.
I have never seen a numeric value assigned to it till now.
It's much worse than I ever imagined.
Much more than a $1 a month and support craters, lol.

Well a large portion of people build their lives around living precisely paycheck to paycheck.
According to cnbc in 2017, 49% of people lived paycheck to paycheck.
So it's safe to say most people just can't afford $50 to $100 a month for the global warming fiery.

I feel like I could mitigate more global warming spending a dollar than the government could with $10.
Unless the money was going into a fund to replace coal and natural gas power plants with nuclear. I can't compete with that.
But I have a feeling part of the government solution involves flying some douche bag half way around the world at least twice a year on a privet jet to a conference about how the governments can beat the proletariat into submission with a carbon taxs.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:47 pm
by RegGuheert
LeftieBiker wrote:So few people seem to realize that if climate change isn't mitigated, they personally will lose. It goes against human nature to subsidize positive change for selfish assholes - until we realize that we are all pretty much the same, and the climate won't be picking good people to spare and bad people to kill in 20 years.
Or not...

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Inverse Hockey Stick: Climate related death risk for an individual down 99% since 1920

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:53 pm
by LeftieBiker
Well, if someone posted it on Facebook...

I'm guessing it's using flood deaths, which have (had?) dropped quite a bit, in part because of fewer earthen dams, and not other climate-related deaths worldwide, which are rising.

Re: ABG: U.S. carbon emissions spike in 2018 after years of falling

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:17 pm
by RegGuheert
LeftieBiker wrote:Well, if someone posted it on Facebook...
Yeah, someone named Bjorn Lomborg...
LeftieBiker wrote:I'm guessing it's using flood deaths, which have (had?) dropped quite a bit, in part because of fewer earthen dams, and not other climate-related deaths worldwide, which are rising.
You're guessing wrong, then.

If you think the International Disaster Database is wrong, then tell us the source of your faith.