GRA
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Battery recycling

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:07 pm

There've been a few topics reporting various recycling plans and projects, but this is going to an increasingly important issue, so I'm starting this topic as a single place to link such articles and discussions related to same going forward.

GCC:
Study finds recycling technologies for Li-ion batteries not keeping pace with rapid rise of EVs
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... cycle.html
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Re: Battery recycling

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:14 pm

If you want a new topic to reduce topic clutter (?) then how about linking a few of the existing topics here?
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Re: Battery recycling

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:24 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:14 pm
If you want a new topic to reduce topic clutter (?) then how about linking a few of the existing topics here?

Urk, that's what I did and then deleted the topics, but I closed the wrong link and deleted that version of the post!
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Re: Battery recycling

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Trying again with the remaining topics, hopefully sans brain fart this time:

BMW will give EV batteries new life with recycling program

Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:24 am

BMW gets it...

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/15/bmw ... g-program/

GCC: DOE launches its first Li-ion battery recycling R&D center: ReCell; driving toward closed-loop recycling

Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:35 pm

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/0 ... ecell.html

GCC: DOE announces 15 Phase 1 winners of Battery Recycling Prize

Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:37 pm

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/0 ... 6-doe.html
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Re: Battery recycling

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:10 pm

Thanks.
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Re: Battery recycling

Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:52 pm

GCC:
Adamas: globally, 12.2 kilograms of LCE deployed per EV but use varies widely by region
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... damas.html

I have no idea whether this will present a health hazard in battery dismantling given lithium plating, but lithium carbonate is considered a hazardous substance, although the risks seem to be fairly minor: https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1124.pdf
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Re: Battery recycling

Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:50 pm

i'm all about recycling stuff and not polluting, but this LCE (Lithium Carbonate Equivalents) sounds like BS science to me. There is not 25 lbs of a lithium salt carbonic acid powder with a pH of 11 fluffing around in our cars.

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Re: Battery recycling

Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:12 pm

nlspace wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:50 pm
i'm all about recycling stuff and not polluting, but this LCE (Lithium Carbonate Equivalents) sounds like BS science to me. There is not 25 lbs of a lithium salt carbonic acid powder with a pH of 11 fluffing around in our cars.

Make up stuff and lose credibility, then when it's something real nobody will listen. [The boy that cried wolf.]

I'm not qualified to argue the science, but I find the following in a USGS report (page 1) dated 2012 and titled
Lithium Use in Batteries
https://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/1371/pdf/circ1371_508.pdf

It would take 1.4 to 3.0 kilograms of lithium
equivalent (7.5 to 16.0 kilograms of lithium carbonate) to
support a 40-mile trip in an electric vehicle before requiring
recharge. This could create a large demand for lithium.

We've moved well beyond 40 miles of range, but may have reduced the amount of Lithium required as well.
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Re: Battery recycling

Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:33 am

Yeah lithium battery recycling will have to go closed loop if lithium battery powered electric cars are ever going to makeup even a noticeable portion of new vehicle sales.
Can't make all those batteries with NiMH, there just isn't enough Ni to go around even with recycling.
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