saywatt
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Mon May 28, 2012 11:06 am

+1 on the veto power, otherwise, +2 :D
Cheezmo wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:At our house, LEAF is default choice. Other cars are only taken when LEAF is already taken or trip is beyond LEAF range. When multiple cars are needed, LEAF is assigned to the person with the longest trip within LEAF range. Basically all decisions are to minimize gasoline use. The exception is times when I want to drive the LEAF, in which case I get to take it regardless of other considerations, as I'm the one who pays for it.
+1

Almost exactly how we manage it, although I haven't quite asserted my veto power the way you have!

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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Mon May 28, 2012 12:13 pm

I'm surprised the Volt hasn't been mentioned. IMO it would make a great second car. You know, drive the Leaf for the majority of trips, when you have to go further, drive the Volt. The gas mileage isn't as good as the Prius, but the biggest draw for me is the Volt drives like an EV.

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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Wed May 30, 2012 3:05 pm

We kept our Ford Escape Hybrid as our second car, the Leaf is our daily driver - we both work in San Francisco and we carpool in together...I also use the Leaf as my primary car in the evenings and on the weekends. We generally use the Leaf for everything unless we are driving to Lake Tahoe or San Jose to visit family/vacations, etc...I even let the wife drive it sometimes :D
I also have a 1964 Bristol 408 with a Chrysler Poly 313 in it...I won't even say what that car gets in mileage...but it only gets driven 2000 miles a year (if even that) for touring and car shows. I think I more than make up for that car by driving my commute in the Leaf (which is at 21,500 miles already!).
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Wed May 30, 2012 3:38 pm

LKK wrote:I'm surprised the Volt hasn't been mentioned. IMO it would make a great second car. You know, drive the Leaf for the majority of trips, when you have to go further, drive the Volt. The gas mileage isn't as good as the Prius, but the biggest draw for me is the Volt drives like an EV.
There are a few people on here that own both a Volt and a LEAF, and threads that talk about their experiences and the synergy of that combo.
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Thu May 31, 2012 8:17 am

As of Aug 1 (estimated)

My car: 2012 Leaf - Cayenne
Wife car: 2012/13 Prius V

replacing
02 Escort Z
10 Corolla

We could probably do 2 Leafs but the wife's daily driving is all over the place. I don't mean all over town but completely unpredictable from 15 miles - 150 miles in a day. She does weird stuff.
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:53 pm

Here's hoping that the LEAF can make this trip and back easily with the DC charger in place soon near this location in Santa Ysabel. For now, it's the ICE.

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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:52 am

LKK wrote:I'm surprised the Volt hasn't been mentioned. IMO it would make a great second car. You know, drive the Leaf for the majority of trips, when you have to go further, drive the Volt. The gas mileage isn't as good as the Prius, but the biggest draw for me is the Volt drives like an EV.
That is exactly what I just did. Now the driver going the furthest within the Leaf's range takes that. The other driver takes the Volt.

Gas usage will be minimized but long trips are still possible.
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:25 pm

eHelmholtz wrote:There's been a lot of talk in the popular media about the LEAF as a second car but for many of us on this forum, our LEAFs are our primary car. In fact, I should think that ICE based cars ought to be second cars, not the other way around. For me, the LEAF is my daily driver and I have a bit of fun driving it daily. Still, I make trips longer than the LEAF's range once or twice a month to visit family. These trips aren't that far really ~100 miles from San Diego to the LA area and so I've managed to go a few times, taking a few hours to charge in between (while visiting friends). DC chargers would have been perfect for these trips but unfortunately, those haven't become available. For awhile, I thought about a range extending trailer like a micro-turbine but the costs were prohibitive (and I didn't have the expertise to build one).

SO my solution was to get a gas guzzler as a second car for occasional use. I decided on a roadster and it's been a blast to drive! so different than our LEAFs - not nearly as comfortable but much better connection to the road (and gas mileage is surprisingly OK at about 28-30miles/gallon on the highway). Has anyone else decided to buy a second non-electric car for longer range or weekend use?
Recently, in addition to the roadster which is for weekend use, I added another ICE car which can go a bit further than my LEAF ;-)
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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:22 am

eHelmholtz wrote:

Recently, in addition to the roadster which is for weekend use, I added another ICE car which can go a bit further than my LEAF ;-)
I already owned 2 - 10 year old ICEs when I got my Leaf, a p/u and a SUV. They immediatly became the "second car". After experiencing the Leaf for the past 13 months, I hope to never buy another ICE again, and especially a new one. The two I have are in good shape and with limited use, will easily last until the next-gen long range EV batteries hit the market. :mrgreen:


Edit: Congrats, It was hard to tell you purchased a Volt. I don't consider the Volt an ICE. Although it has one, it is small. It is a viable alternative to the standard ICE until the nex-gen batteries arrive. A friend has 8,000 miles on his Volt and is still on the same tank of gas the dealer gave him.

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Re: An ICE based car as a second car...

Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:06 am

saywatt wrote:
eHelmholtz wrote:

Recently, in addition to the roadster which is for weekend use, I added another ICE car which can go a bit further than my LEAF ;-)
I already owned 2 - 10 year old ICEs when I got my Leaf, a p/u and a SUV. They immediatly became the "second car". After experiencing the Leaf for the past 13 months, I hope to never buy another ICE again, and especially a new one. The two I have are in good shape and with limited use, will easily last until the next-gen long range EV batteries hit the market. :mrgreen:


Edit: Congrats, It was hard to tell you purchased a Volt. I don't consider the Volt an ICE. Although it has one, it is small. It is a viable alternative to the standard ICE until the nex-gen batteries arrive. A friend has 8,000 miles on his Volt and is still on the same tank of gas the dealer gave him.
i also "know" (actually only know him because we talked 3-4 times when we ran into each other at public charging stations...) someone with a Volt who got theirs last Oct/Nov and last i saw him about 2 months ago he was about to turn 10,000 miles and was on his original tank of gas as well. his dealer was recommending that he take a road trip. he was averaging about 1300 mpg on his reckoning.

he stated that he now runs the engine for a short period on his commute (16 miles one way 60% country road at 50 mph, 30% suburban at 35-40 mph and innercity 10% @ 25 mph)

i should run over and track him down. guessing by now he has done a fill up.
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