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Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:10 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUnPkQ94OE[/youtube]


Note that this is to replace the spark plugs. Not a joke.
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:36 am

I was looking into replacing the spark plugs on my housemate's Prius PHEV, which is
idling very roughly. I found a video on YouTube that shows, in detail,
how to do it.

* First, you remove both windshield wiper arm assemblies.

* Next you remove the wiper motor and associated linkages, in their
entirety. You have now removed about 20lbs of parts.

* You then remove the large plastic and metal cover underneath where
you once had windshield wipers.

* Having removed *all traces* of windshield wipers from the car, you
then pry up the simple plastic cover that sits in the middle of the
engine compartment, right on top of the engine, but which projects
*slightly* beneath where the wipers were, and Voila! You can replace
the spark plugs - after you remove the four ignition coils sitting on
top of the plugs, of course. It actually looks easier to remove the
entire fuel system from the engine than it is to replace four spark
plugs. Pass.
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:23 am

Luckily the plugs seem ok on our '07 regular Prius. Note they are the originals but the car only has about 110k miles on the ODO.
Note when cold I've noticed a slight bit of roughness in the ICE but only lasts a minute or so, probably until the plugs get warm :(
Crazy you have to remove the wiper assembly to do something that took just minutes on cars of yesterday! Not that my old slant 6's were the easiest being on the downside of the slant but nothing like your describing!
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:25 am

It does sound like a pain, but in the end not as dramatic as it might first appear. I had to remove the LEAF's wipers and cowl assembly when I accidentally put the wrong fluid in the reservoir. Long story, it was a cleaning fluid that had the same color as the windshield washer I thought I'd grabbed and it catalyzed somehow with the Rain-X that was in the reservoir, slowly forming a goop that began clogging the system.

Anyway, the wiper stuff is intimidating but really not a big deal once you've done it. More of a PITA was getting to the reservoir and fluid pump, which required removal of the entire front bumper fascia. :lol:

Use some good iridium plugs and you probably won't have to worry about them again for 100,000 miles.
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:52 pm

Then there are the individual ignition coils on top of each plug. I'm hoping the dealership won't want a ridiculous amount to do new plugs and maybe one or two coils. We think that this is a fuel problem that they never properly dealt with, but if they are talking about failing coils - at 6 years of ago and 30k miles. I don't want to play "let's see which expensive part actually needed to be replaced"...


The crazy thing is that the plastic cover on the top of the engine is NOT under the wipers. It just projects under them a few inches in the back. In the comments section there is mention of just loosening the wiper shroud and squeezing the cover past it. I'd probably try that if I had to do it...
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:47 pm

OT: Way back when I was considering which (used) sports car I wanted to buy to do stupid things in, I was interested in the Sunbeam Tiger, which was a Sunbeam Alpine with a Ford 260 (later 289) V8 shoehorned into the engine compartment normally occupied by an inline 4, the same basic idea as the Cobra, but with roll-up windows and (at the time and probably now), a lot less expensive than a Cobra. I knew a guy who bought them, fixed them up and then sold them. I didn't want the typical British sports car of the era owing to their lousy Lucas* electrical system and oil leaks, so thought the Tiger might at least have a reliable engine/transmission. I asked him why he sold them and didn't keep one. He said"'because you have to remove the engine in order to change the spark plugs." :o

I wound up buying a Datsun 2000.


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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am

GRA wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:47 pm
*One of the ad slogans suggested for Lucas by one of their long-suffering customers was "Lucas - the company that invented darkness".
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:47 am

I think I've mentioned this before, but the Volvo 240 (aka "the Brick") had mediocre bearings in the ventilation fan motor, causing them to eventually start to squeal, especially when cold. (It also had biodegradable wiring insulation, but that's a story for another time.) This annoyance was made infinitely worse by the fact that, according to legend, anyway, the car's assembly process began with a worker suspending the blower from a string at the beginning of the assembly line, with the rest of the car then being assembled around said blower. No one in their right mind ever tried to replace the blower when the bearings went bad, as this required disassembling most of the dashboard and a little of the engine compartment. Instead, various 'Drill N Squirt' techniques were developed to bore a hole or two (or more, when you missed) in the ventilation plenum adjacent to the motor ends, squirt oil of various kinds* onto the motor shaft at the bearings, blot up the excess somehow, and then patch up the hole and reassemble just part of the dash that you had to remove to get that far. This band-aid usually lasted a year or so - sometimes more, sometimes less - and then had to be repeated. More than one 240 was sold just because of the noisy blower fan.


* I probably hold the record for the worst choice of oil. Not wanting to have to repeat the job, I used 80 weight synthetic gear oil, on the assumption that it would stick in the bearings, and by virtue of being full synthetic wouldn't smell sulfurous. Alas, they actually added sulfur to the oil (probably to be mean) and our 240 smelled like the Bowels Of Hell from then until we sold it.
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:23 am

That's not too bad.
A typical V6 fwd car you normally get to take apart the intake to get the 3 plugs nearest to the fire wall.

Current hyundai hybrid car the spark plugs appear to be easy access.
Since the engine is off about half the time in city driving and off around 20% of the time for highway driving I think the plugs will last well beyond 100,000 miles.
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Re: Why I No Longer Work On Cars

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:10 am

Decades ago, I had a 76(?) Monza. To replace the spark plugs the engine had to be hoisted out of the car.
Bad design is nothing new.
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