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Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:39 pm

Leftie - I know too that of which you speak. R president, R senate, R house = serious rollback. Here we go again. It's not Trump alone so much that is the worry it's the legislature without someone like our current president. Hello fracking, pipelines, tar sands, drilling in the arctic, good bye sustainable energy initiatives.

Ahh, a brave new (old) world!

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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:05 pm

Reality:
Trump victory reverses U.S. energy and environmental priorities

Donald J. Trump comes into office with a plan to toss out most of what President Obama achieved on energy and the environment.

While vowing to “cancel” the international Paris climate accord Obama championed, Trump would also rearrange domestic energy and environmental priorities. He wants to open up federal lands to oil and gas drilling and coal mining. He wants to eliminate regulations he calls needless. He would scrap proposed regulations for tighter methane controls on domestic drillers. And he wants to shrink the role of the Environmental Protection Agency to a mostly advisory one and pull back the Clean Power Plan, Obama’s proposed plan to push utilities toward lower carbon emissions.

Although Trump has portrayed himself as the ultimate outsider, in putting together a transition team the New York real estate mogul has chosen veteran Washington insiders, many of them lobbyists for fossil fuel companies and skeptics about climate science.

Oil industry executives were delighted
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... r-1&wpmm=1
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:54 pm

Moving forward if we have 50 years of Trump politics with respect to green house gases will have CO2 go from 400 ppm to 480 ppm. Do you think Florida is going to fall into the ocean at this point or will it take 100 years?
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:37 pm

DanCar wrote:Moving forward if we have 50 years of Trump politics with respect to green house gases will have CO2 go from 400 ppm to 480 ppm. Do you think Florida is going to fall into the ocean at this point or will it take 100 years?
I don't think we're going to have 50 years of greenhouse gasses at today's levels regardless of who is president. The economics of renewables will soon "trump" fossil fuels even without subsidies, then it's game set match.
Face it, the problem with fossil fuels is as soon as you burn them you have to go drill/pump/dig up more. Show me the millennial that wants to work on an oil platform or in a coal mine... not happening, those are jobs Americans won't do.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:30 pm

I'm looking to buy a Tesla, and at that price I doubt my mind would be made up for or against because of incentives. Yes, I like my Leaf, but it was not worth what it was sold for as new, so I bought it for half the price a year later. My son gets it as soon as he can drive.

Strange thing happened this morning. The sun came up and I still had my 9:00 am and 11:00 am meetings.

Economics will make the EV sector grow. I know Trump can't ban these cars, no matter how big a fascist he is...lolol
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:08 pm

Maybe the tax rebate will change to be for cars assembled in USA only.
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:18 pm

I bet this is going to force Tesla, Nissan, Chevy, BMW, and other EV makers to work together as a counter to him. If Musk cares about climate change and the survival of Tesla... he'd be working tomorrow with Nissan and others to build common/interchangeable/cheaper parts and batteries. There is power in numbers instead of competition against eachother.

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Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:01 pm

One thing that's likely is that, as there's unlikely to be any major new environmental regulations for at least the next two and probably four years, or strong enforcement of existing regs FTM, the environmental groups will almost certainly see a major spike in membership. Reagan's appointments of James Watt at Interior and Anne Gorsuch Burford at EPA were the best recruitment boosters the Sierra Club, NRDC, FoE, etc. ever had, and with a Climate Change Denier-in-Chief in office, I expect a similar increase in membership and funds.

I also wouldn't be terribly surprised if people who couldn't justify paying extra for a PEV before will now opt to 'take one for the team' as a means of protesting the federal government's policies, at least in heavily green states like California, helping sales.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:35 pm

GRA wrote:Reagan's appointments of James Watt at Interior and Anne Gorsuch Burford at EPA were the best recruitment boosters the Sierra Club, NRDC, FoE, etc. ever had, and with a Climate Change Denier-in-Chief in office, I expect a similar increase in membership and funds..
They can have all the members they want. One party rule is what we have, just like China, so those members can make all the noise they want. Sue all the want.

The Republicans win.

And, Republicans will keep winning in 2020, when the Republican controlled House of Representatives does some updated Gerrymandering without any pesky opposition, locking them in to 2030.

The Senate is more precarious in 2018, but beyond that glimmer of hope, Trump will be around until 2020 / 2024, they will have the Supreme Court locked up to rubber stamp any law as "constitutional", and there's not an f-ing thing anybody can do about it.

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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:36 pm

brian0123 wrote:I bet this is going to force Tesla, Nissan, Chevy, BMW, and other EV makers to work together as a counter to him. If Musk cares about climate change and the survival of Tesla... he'd be working tomorrow with Nissan and others to build common/interchangeable/cheaper parts and batteries. There is power in numbers instead of competition against eachother.
No. The traditional auto manufacturers are NOT going to fight the US Government to demand EV sales !!! Not a chance.

Quite the opposite... they will start offering larger, higher profit margin SUVs with HUUUuuuuge gasoline or diesel engines. That's where the money is.

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