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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:44 am
by jjeff
I know very little of Tesla's autopilot but I can't believe the car didn't have some sort of feature that would turn it off if there was no weight in the drivers seat? and I also can't imagine how anyone could move from the drivers seat to any other seat, especially when the vehicle was in motion. Heck, I have a hard time just getting out of the drivers seat of a Tesla let alone moving to the passenger seat! ahh to be young(and dumb!) again :roll:
I must say when I first read this I was wondering if it was some new club akin to the mile-hile club, the 70mph club :? but if one person was in the front and one back, that wouldn't make sense.........

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:48 am
by jlv
jjeff wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:44 am
I know very little of Tesla's autopilot but I can't believe the car didn't have some sort of feature that would turn it off if there was no weight in the drivers seat?
Yes, there is.

I've probably driven over 40,000 miles using AutoPilot. Like I said, if there was no one to be in the driver's seat while AutoPilot was engages, then these people needed to defeat multiple mechanisms to detect a driver was present and holding the steering wheel.

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:05 pm
by Oils4AsphaultOnly
jjeff wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:44 am
I know very little of Tesla's autopilot but I can't believe the car didn't have some sort of feature that would turn it off if there was no weight in the drivers seat? and I also can't imagine how anyone could move from the drivers seat to any other seat, especially when the vehicle was in motion. Heck, I have a hard time just getting out of the drivers seat of a Tesla let alone moving to the passenger seat! ahh to be young(and dumb!) again :roll:
I must say when I first read this I was wondering if it was some new club akin to the mile-hile club, the 70mph club :? but if one person was in the front and one back, that wouldn't make sense.........

By multiple mechanisms, jlv meant:
- pre-buckled the seat-belts under you, because you planned on leaving the seats in the first place.
- left a weight under you to trick the seat sensors
- started from a part of the street that had lane markings (because AP won't engage where there isn't clear lane markings even though it'll stay engaged when the markings disappear)
- and kept the accelerator down to override the surface streets speed restriction, while you're sitting in the passenger seat.

Frankly, it's only the news media (and those who have an ax to grind) who thinks this is autopilot related. Anyone who knows how A/P works automatically assumed it was a drunk driver who fled the scene.

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:36 pm
by jlv
You forgot the weight on the steering wheel to apply torque.


But this car wasn't on AP. AP won't go "a high rate of speed" when not on a divided highway - it is limited to no more than 5MPH over the speed limit.

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 pm
by Oils4AsphaultOnly
jlv wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:36 pm
You forgot the weight on the steering wheel to apply torque.


But this car wasn't on AP. AP won't go "a high rate of speed" when not on a divided highway - it is limited to no more than 5MPH over the speed limit.
I assumed that they were keeping the pedal pressed, they'd hold the steering wheel as well. *shrug*

It's just a completely absurd amount of effort just to make autopilot work in the way that the media described.

People are dumb. And no amount of "protection" will prevent people from doing dumb things. Otherwise, why isn't Chevy being sued for "allowing" this truck driver to hit a telephone pole?!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICAWV74 ... el=Nigeman

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:15 am
by EVDean
IMO... Tesla should stop calling it "autopilot" which has implications of being autonomous. People don't read warnings and fine print and when they buy new tech they feel compelled to wring it out for all the money they just spent on it without regard for safety warnings.
In the end it's the driver's fault. They activated the feature. BUT, calling it autopilot is just asking for trouble.
Nissan calls it ProPilot. Does that even sound like it's autonomous?

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:22 am
by Nubo
EVDean wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:15 am
IMO... Tesla should stop calling it "autopilot" which has implications of being autonomous. People don't read warnings and fine print and when they buy new tech they feel compelled to wring it out for all the money they just spent on it without regard for safety warnings.
In the end it's the driver's fault. They activated the feature. BUT, calling it autopilot is just asking for trouble.
Nissan calls it ProPilot. Does that even sound like it's autonomous?
I agree entirely. The name should clearly convey it's purpose as only a safety backup for the human driver. And they need to STFU about "full self driving" until it exists and has been certified as such.

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:34 am
by knightmb
EVDean wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:15 am
Nissan calls it ProPilot. Does that even sound like it's autonomous?
Depends on who you ask, my kids thought it meant a professional would do the driving for you.... :?

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:58 am
by nlspace
i'm a fan of DA , Driver's (or Driving) Assistant.

Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:42 am
by jlv
Nubo wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:22 am
EVDean wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:15 am
IMO... Tesla should stop calling it "autopilot" which has implications of being autonomous.
And they need to STFU about "full self driving" until it exists and has been certified as such.
+1
+1

"AutoPilot" is the (terrible) marketing name. When you use the car, the user interface uses the terms Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC) and Autosteer for the two parts of AP. FSD is an even worse marketing name.