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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:17 pm

Gotta love when guys like this https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... de.158602/ are filming themselves (presumably holding a phone or a camera with one hand, judging by the motion) using autopilot on either an S or X going 90 mph in Florida!

Looks like the highest speed limit in in Florida per https://www.fdot.gov/traffic/faqs/speedlimitfaq.shtm is only 70 mph.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:34 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKCN1V10BB
MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Tesla Model 3 electric car caught fire after crashing into a parked tow truck on a Moscow motorway late on Saturday, with the Tesla driver saying he had failed to see the vehicle with which he collided.

Asked in a video published on REN TV website if he was using an Autopilot self-driving system, driver Alexei Tretyakov said he was in a drive assistance mode in which he was still holding the steering wheel.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 am

Seems like this guy was using autopilot but got lulled into a false sense of security. He says he dozed off for a few seconds and ran into a bunch of traffic barrels at 75 mph.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ie.160407/

He posted page of his repair estimate at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ue.163631/. It was nearly $26K! :o

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:38 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 am
Seems like this guy was using autopilot but got lulled into a false sense of security. He says he dozed off for a few seconds and ran into a bunch of traffic barrels at 75 mph.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ie.160407/

He posted page of his repair estimate at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ue.163631/. It was nearly $26K! :o
Stirring up absolute FUD! The car didn’t doze off, the driver did. That the car had some driver assist software in no way makes the car impervious to stupidity. Just like. Any. Other. Vehicle.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:16 am

SalisburySam wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:38 am
cwerdna wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 am
Seems like this guy was using autopilot but got lulled into a false sense of security. He says he dozed off for a few seconds and ran into a bunch of traffic barrels at 75 mph.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ie.160407/

He posted page of his repair estimate at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ue.163631/. It was nearly $26K! :o
Stirring up absolute FUD! The car didn’t doze off, the driver did. That the car had some driver assist software in no way makes the car impervious to stupidity. Just like. Any. Other. Vehicle.
Who says the car dozed off?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Video appears to show Tesla (Model 3) driver asleep at the wheel on I-5 in Santa Clarita
https://abc7.com/video-appears-to-show- ... 5/5488646/

Back to an earlier post, the almost $26K damage guy put up details of his estimate at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-3950855.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:49 am

This "auto pilot" Model 3 accident happened the other day: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-se ... 93062.html.

Hopefully we'll learn if the driver really was on auto-pilot or if it was the result of pedal misapplication or some other user error/confusion.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:58 pm

ABG:
NTSB faults Tesla Autopilot, bagel-eating driver for crash
Safety agency says system let him have his hands on his meal, not the wheel
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/04/tes ... -findings/

. . . The safety board, which previously criticized Tesla's driver assistance system Autopilot after a 2016 fatal crash in Florida, said that the system's design "permitted the driver to disengage from the driving task" in the Culver City, California, crash. The NTSB said on Tuesday that Autopilot allowed the driver to keep his hands off the wheel for the vast majority of the nearly 14 minutes of the trip. . . .

This was one of the rear-ending a firetruck crashes.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:26 am

^^^
Unfortunately, Autoblog's been down this evening. Thanks to a thread on "TMC", the report's out at https://ntsb.gov/investigations/Acciden ... AB1907.pdf. I won't have time to read it in detail for awhile.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:26 pm

The driver had his hands off the wheel for all but 51 seconds of the last 14 minutes A/P was engaged, and either had a bagel or a cup of coffee in one hand, plus was distracted by the radio. The report goes into detail about how the A/P warning system works, including the fact that on a divided highway you can go 3 minutes hands-off before a warning is issued, if there is a lead car, and 2 minutes otherwise. The first audible warning is issued 15 seconds after the visual warning, the second 10 seconds after that, and the third 5 seconds later, at which point the car begins to decelerate. In other words, you can go at least (see below) 3 min. 30 seconds with your hands off the wheel before the car will assume no one's paying attention.

The car had hardware v1.0 and firmware 17.50.97-3bd9f6d082U, installed on 12/28/2017. Some of the warning times have apparently changed in later versions of hardware and firmware. The total trip was 66 minutes, and A/P was engaged for a total of 29 min. 4 sec., with hands detected on the wheel for only 78 sec. total. During the last A/P segment, visual hands-off alerts were issued four times,, and no hands were detected for the last 3'41" before impact. This was possible because the car's speed dropped below 25 mph at some point, which allows up to 10 minutes before a warning is issued. The Tesla slowed to 21 mph behind the lead vehicle.

When the lead vehicle changed lanes to avoid the fire truck 3-4 seconds before impact, the Tesla began to accelerate to the TACC set speed of 80 mph (speed limit is 65). At 0.49 sec. before impact the FCW detected a stationary object (the fire engine) and issued audible and visual warnings to the driver. The Tesla was doing 30.9 mph at impact. AEB didn't activate nor would it as it's known that it can't deal with this situation.

To what should be no one's surprise, this is another confirmation that A/P as implemented not only allows but even encourages driver disengagement, just as all the research indicated would be the effect of such an implementation.
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