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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu May 27, 2021 11:26 pm

It's 5 years overdue (as of May 7th, the day Joshua Brown died in Williston, FL in 2016). Now they also need to limit A/P & FSD usage to roads that are within the ODD, and also make the systems adhere to speed limits when the cars are under computer control, or at least no more than the speed limit + 5 mph to allow them to move with the flow of (human-driver) traffic. At least, they need to be so limited until such time as ADS are the majority of systems out there and are demonstrably safer than humans, and we can allow them to travel faster while limiting human drivers to lower speeds.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri May 28, 2021 10:31 am

ABG:
Consumer Reports, IIHS yank safety ratings after Tesla pulls radar from cars

NHTSA also no longer gives Model 3 and Y credit for having safety systems
https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproject ... ratings%2F

. . . Consumer Reports pulled its “Top Pick” status for Tesla's Model 3 and Y vehicles built after April 27, while the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety plans to remove the vehicles' “Top Safety Pick Plus” designation. . . .

The U.S. government's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is no longer giving the Models 3 and Y check marks on its website for having forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking, lane departure warning and emergency brake support.

That prompted the ratings groups' actions. Both require electronic safety systems for the top safety designations. . . .

“If a driver thinks their vehicle has a safety feature and it doesn't, that fundamentally changes the safety profile of the vehicle,” David Friedman, Consumer Reports' vice president of advocacy, said in a statement. “It might not be there when they think it would save their lives.”

IIHS on Thursday confirmed that it pulled the Top Safety Pick Plus designation, but said it remains for vehicles built with radar. The institute said it plans to test Tesla’s new system. . . .
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun May 30, 2021 10:37 pm

Teslas, and indirectly, Autopilot, had the lowest accident rate per 10,000 vehicles according to the UK Dept of Transport: https://www.rivervaleleasing.co.uk/blog ... -accidents
Which car manufacturers have been in the least number of accidents per 10,000 models?
1. Morris – 16
2. Austin – 26
3. Tesla – 28
4. Ferrari – 39
5. Aston Martin – 40
6. Lotus – 55
7. Bentley – 75
8. Infiniti – 105
9. Maserati – 106
10. Abarth – 114
I wrote lowest, because the 7 closest brands to the Tesla in the list are practically garage queens that generally don't get driven in poor weather when accidents are more likely.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:39 pm

What, Morris and Austin are exotic brands now, instead of base models (think Minor, Mini)?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:54 pm

https://twitter.com/sascha_p/status/140 ... 44129?s=21 was posted at my work.
And this is why you don't do public beta tests!
Tesla Model 3 display - showing constant traffic lights whilst going 130km/h on the highway!
via https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/co ... _constant/
The brief video in https://twitter.com/fsd_in_6m/status/14 ... 52323?s=21 was a funny response. :)

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:29 am

Very odd phrasing. The "brief video" you mention is actually the full video, as noted in a comment in the Reddit thread this twitter noise was taken from. The post to you link on twitter took the original video and edited out the source of the bug.

The car is following a truck carrying traffic signals. This is the full video.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:18 pm

This is the reality of human driving errors: https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/2021/ ... ing-crash/
Autopilot (and pretty much any ADAS except for GM supercruise - won't activate on that road) would've kept the Ford Edge within its lane and not crossed over into the other lane.

Boryana Straubel is the wife of former Tesla executive JB Straubel.

On average, 38,000 auto deaths per year in the US alone, most of them due to human driving/judgement error.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:08 am

That is tragic and sad. If a cell phone was involved, then there should be a criminal negligent homicide charge.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:03 pm

The metric "It is better than a drunk or inattentive human" is insufficient. The very minimum standard should be "It's better and safer than the median human driver."
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:26 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:03 pm
The metric "It is better than a drunk or inattentive human" is insufficient. The very minimum standard should be "It's better and safer than the median human driver."
Indeed, especially when the system in question encourages drivers to be inattentive, and allows them to speed while doing so.
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