SalisburySam wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:16 pm
GRA wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:46 pm
SalisburySam wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:20 am
As things become more and more idiot-proof, the world makes better idiots.
Yet, if a manufacturer simply ignores taking steps to prevent entirely forseeable idiotic behavior when it's in their power to do so, they shouldn't escape their own responsibility.
I agree...a bit. I think the problem is in the phrase "entirely foreseeable." After the fact many things are viewed as oh, they should've seen that coming, but no one does regardless of how possible or logical. And there are those pesky unintended consequences, also possible, logical, and likely unforeseen. Maybe a manufactured device enabled a certain act of stupidity, or didn't disable it's possibility, and maybe there's a culpability. I think it's a tiny one. Stupidity has its own rewards and punishments; for me without knowing all the details yet, I can't see much actual Tesla liability, although I'm sure they'll be sued to the heavens and the press will feast for hours until the next thing happens.
As I've mentioned, problems due to the lack of A/P driver engagement monitoring as well as allowing any ADAS or ADS to operate outside their ODD were foreseen, and Tesla and the other manufacturers as well as the NHTSA were specifically warned about these issues by the NTSB 4 years ago after the Williston crash, with the warnings repeated after subsequent fatal crashes.
Please read the NTSB comment letter on the NHTSA notice of proposed rulemaking. Search for "NTSB NHTSA 2020-0106-0617", it should be the second result, a PDF file from the NTSB dated Feb. 21, 2021. It's fifteen pages total and well worth the read, but the parts specifically referring to those two issues can be found on pages 6-9 starting at "Risk Mitigation Pertaining to Monitoring Driver Engagement" and continuing through "Risk Mitigation Pertaining to Operational Design Domain", plus the full list of NTSB recommendations on pages 13-15.
It also discusses AV testing on public roads, and the need for mandatory reporting by all manufacturers of specified data at regular intervals, so that manufacturers can't help or cherry pick the data to show their systems at their best, i.e. independent outside verification is needed.