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Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:56 pm

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Ford's rival to Autopilot and Super Cruise: Priced, and coming to Mach-E electric SUV
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... ectric-suv

. . . Ford has disclosed pricing for the feature, which will be rolled out in the third quarter of 2021, through an over-the-air update—initially on the Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV and the Ford F-150 pickup.

It will come standard on the Premium, First Edition, and California Route 1 versions of the Mustang Mach-E, while it’s offered on more affordable Select trims for $3,200, together with a 360-degree camera, heated front seats and a heated steering wheel, as part of a Comfort and Technology package. On the F-150, the positioning is different and it’s standard only on top Limited versions but optional as part of a $1,595 package on Lariat, King Range, and Platinum models—all among the more expensive versions in the lineup.

Ford discloses up front that Active Drive Assist includes a three-year service period, after which owners can choose a “competitively priced connected service” to keep using it and getting OTA updates.

Like Super Cruise, which started as a Cadillac exclusive but is on the way to the 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV, Active Drive Assist allows hands-free driving on “prequalified sections of divided highways.” Ford says that more than 100,000 miles of roads get that approval in North America. It works together with adaptive cruise control, lane centering, and speed sign recognition, and uses a driver-facing camera to study eye movements and head position to make sure the driver maintains attention. . . .
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:28 am

Waymo pulls back the curtain on 6.1 million miles of self-driving car data in Phoenix
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/30/215 ... nix-google

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:47 am

Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ Is 99.9% There, Just 1,000 Times Further To Go
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtemple ... her-to-go/ - written by someone who was on Google self-driving car team.
What the vehicle does is slightly better than what Google Chauffeur (now Waymo) demonstrated in 2010 while I was working there, though it’s very important to know that it does it using just cameras and minimal maps, while Chauffeur used detailed maps and LIDAR, and made minimal use of cameras.

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:44 am

Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.

Now that Dojo is in place the 1000 times more to go the article suggested Tesla has to go to have true Full SELF Driving solution means 2025 and I can see that as being realistic.

Waymo prototype is still using the car owners roof and trunk because they are not vertical integrated FSD solutions that are on the market today even at 100 times more expense.

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:55 am

The race will be whether Waymo can expand its geofencing fast enough while Tesla goes from the whole thing in one shot. Hard to tell who wins. Waymo will have revenue from driverless cars sooner, but it's a slow roll with as a more expensive set up. Tesla wants to run the table.

Has anyone on the board in Phoenix tried the driverless cab yet just for fun?
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:16 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:44 am
Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.
No car maker or anyone else has full self driving.

Waymo is closer.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:19 am

WetEV wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:16 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:44 am
Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.
No car maker or anyone else has full self driving.

Waymo is closer.
Where does Waymo build it's cars with FSD that is even 10% as usable as a Model 3 Tesla on any road or street in the USA? How much does Waymo car cost? How many weeks to take delivery after ordering it online?

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:13 pm

ABG:
Mercedes bets on evolution as Tesla touts revolution in automated driving

Mercedes launches Drive Pilot next year
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/31/mer ... -vs-tesla/

As Tesla touts the cutting-edge nature of its new Full Self Driving software, rival Mercedes-Benz says it has developed a similar system but stops short of allowing members of the public to take it on urban roads.

The Germans, pioneers in developing advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS), are taking a step-by-step approach to releasing new technology, waiting for their own engineers, rather than the general public, to validate their system.

Advanced driver assistance systems can provide steering, braking and acceleration support under limited circumstances, generally on highways. Carmakers have refrained from relying on their technology to let cars navigate urban inner-city traffic.

Tesla broke this tradition last week when it released its FSD software which allows its computer-powered cars to practice their reflexes in inner-city traffic situations, with a warning that its cars "May Do the Wrong Thing at the Worst Time."

Mercedes does not allow members of the public to test still-experimental systems. Its engineers need to pass an eligibility exam to become test drivers, and another one for testing automated driving systems, the carmaker said.

Rather than force their customers to put their trust in processors, software and the ability of machines to learn over time, the Germans want their cars to be validated by engineers so that they remain predictable for owners.

"We do not want blind trust. We want informed trust in the car. The customer needs to know exactly what the car can and cannot do
," a Mercedes spokesman told Reuters on the sidelines of the carmaker's test track in Immendingen, Germany.

"The worst thing would be if the car gets into a complex situation and there was ambiguity over whether the car is in control or not," he said.

This is why the Stuttgart-based carmaker, owned by Daimler AG, is emphasizing its decades-old experience of automated driver assistance systems as it seeks to gain global regulatory approval for its own Drive Pilot system which boasts level 3 automation.

Level 3 means the driver can legally take their eyes off the wheel and the company, Daimler in this case, would have to assume insurance liability, depending on the jurisdiction.

The new Tesla system forces customers to take responsibility for any crash. . . .

Oh, those wacky Germans, not being willing to unleash immature systems on the general public, and waiting to release it only when DB will take responsibility for a crash while the system's operating.

Tesla's system is so much better: if no accident happens sole credit goes to the system, but any accident that does occur is solely the driver's fault. I'll bet they make a lot of money off coin-flipping contests too, given the same "Heads I win, tails you lose" rules.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:20 pm

Tesla drivers are rather like unpaid interns, except that they risk lives and actually pay to be Beta Testers, knowingly or not...
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:39 am

In 1969 when I went off to the city to study computer programming in Assembly, RPG-2 and COBOL languages Neural Network was more science fiction than reality.

Quanta Magazine

Deep Neural Networks Help to Explain Living Brains

Yesterday this article helped me to finally get a grasp on what Elon Musk is talking about how Tesla's Dojo Neural Network is the machine that will enable Tesla to start shipping cars without a need for steering wheels, brake pedals, etc some day. Best guess is that it may first happen in China by 2025+.

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