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Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:45 pm

The NTSB is clueless about technology? Have you read the letter? It's only 12 pages + 3 of references to past NTSB safety recommendations to NHTSA or manufacturers. It mainly takes NHTSA to task for adopting a laissez-faire attitude to regulating DAS, much as the FAA seem to have done with Boeing, although the latter may have been more a case of regulatory capture, lack of funds and/or simple laziness.

As an example of regulatory capture, I remember many years back when the then-head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission gave a speech at an industry forum in which he started off by saying "We in the nuclear power industry . . ."!

The Trump-era EPA would be another example, at least at its head: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:10 pm

Someone at work posted https://insideevs.com/news/495428/tesla ... ted-lefts/ (Anxiety-Inducing Drone Footage Of Tesla FSD Beta Unprotected Lefts),

Haven't watched the video yet other than 3:55 that someone called out as being super scary, which I'd agree with.

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Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:23 pm

GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:45 pm
The NTSB is clueless about technology? Have you read the letter? It's only 12 pages + 3 of references to past NTSB safety recommendations to NHTSA or manufacturers. It mainly takes NHTSA to task for adopting a laissez-faire attitude to regulating DAS, much as the FAA seem to have done with Boeing, although the latter may have been more a case of regulatory capture, lack of funds and/or simple laziness.

As an example of regulatory capture, I remember many years back when the then-head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission gave a speech at an industry forum in which he started off by saying "We in the nuclear power industry . . ."!

The Trump-era EPA would be another example, at least at its head: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
I don't think the NTSB is generally to blame - they don't have regulatory authority, so they're insulated from some of the political dysfunction we see at NHTSA and the FAA. They often make recommendations that well-connected industry insiders then shoot down or delay for decades.

For all the whining we hear about "big government," reality involves a great deal of regulatory capture and converting public funds into private profits, aka socializing costs and privatizing profits. Milking the taxpayer for big profits while screaming to high heaven about the evils of government is the new normal, it seems. I suspect the players involved feel no cognitive dissonance whatsoever while they're at it, either. How do you spell "cynical"? We've become a nation of grifters.

Once upon a time, folks still had some sense of community, but we've rationalized that all away in 40 years of demonizing all government as evil. Reminds me of the old bumper sticker "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." How about "If you think democracy is dysfunctional, try authoritarianism."

My 13.5 cents worth... Might be OT.
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:29 pm

Received linked to https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3587 ... dangerous/ (Tesla's "Full Self Driving" Beta Is Just Laughably Bad and Potentially Dangerous) via a Road & Track magazine email w/that as the subject line in the email, as well.

I've only watched bits and pieces of the video, so far (which is well-indexed), but it's already being discussed at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 8/page-107. Was supposedly on "FSD" beta 8.2 and uploaded March 15, 2021. At https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-5390829, they were discussing another video in downtown San Jose from the same folks.

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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:53 pm

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:23 pm
GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:45 pm
The NTSB is clueless about technology? Have you read the letter? It's only 12 pages + 3 of references to past NTSB safety recommendations to NHTSA or manufacturers. It mainly takes NHTSA to task for adopting a laissez-faire attitude to regulating DAS, much as the FAA seem to have done with Boeing, although the latter may have been more a case of regulatory capture, lack of funds and/or simple laziness.

As an example of regulatory capture, I remember many years back when the then-head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission gave a speech at an industry forum in which he started off by saying "We in the nuclear power industry . . ."!

The Trump-era EPA would be another example, at least at its head: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
I don't think the NTSB is generally to blame - they don't have regulatory authority, so they're insulated from some of the political dysfunction we see at NHTSA and the FAA.

Never said they were - did you miss the question mark and the sarcasm? For reasons we both have mentioned, it's the regulatory agencies and some companies who are ignoring safety.

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:23 pm
They often make recommendations that well-connected industry insiders then shoot down or delay for decades.

For all the whining we hear about "big government," reality involves a great deal of regulatory capture and converting public funds into private profits, aka socializing costs and privatizing profits. Milking the taxpayer for big profits while screaming to high heaven about the evils of government is the new normal, it seems. I suspect the players involved feel no cognitive dissonance whatsoever while they're at it, either. How do you spell "cynical"? We've become a nation of grifters.

Once upon a time, folks still had some sense of community, but we've rationalized that all away in 40 years of demonizing all government as evil. Reminds me of the old bumper sticker "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." How about "If you think democracy is dysfunctional, try authoritarianism."

My 13.5 cents worth... Might be OT.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:13 am

Yep, sure did.

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Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:03 pm

Xpeng begins 2,284 mile cross-country "FSD" drive
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ve.223691/

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Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:38 pm

Angry Residents, Abrupt Stops: Waymo Vehicles Are Still Causing Problems in Arizona
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/wa ... m-11541896

Waymo CEO departure comes after tenure filled with milestones, hurdles and hype
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/03/waymo-c ... -hype.html

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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:24 pm

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Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:18 am
I watched this late last night on my phone. This is from some Chinese company and posted Sept 2020.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgAAfblfn8

Was pretty impressive with so many pedestrians, bicyclists and scooters, including a bunch passing the car. Street was sometimes rather narrow for two cars.

I haven't had a chance to watch most of their other videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE5dpH ... T6w/videos.
The above was from WeRide. While doing a Google search, I stumbled across https://werideai.medium.com/villages-in ... 9b06297196 accompanying the above, that I hadn't read until now.

Chinese autonomous vehicle startup WeRide scores permit to test driverless cars in San Jose
https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/12/chine ... -san-jose/
The California DMV, the agency that regulates autonomous vehicle testing in the state, said the permit allows WeRide to test two autonomous vehicles without a driver behind the wheel on specified streets within San Jose. WeRide has had a permit to test autonomous vehicles with safety drivers behind the wheel since 2017. WeRide is also restricted to how and when it tests these vehicles. The driverless vehicles are designed to operate on roads with posted speed limits not exceeding 45 miles per hour. Testing will be conducted during the day Monday through Friday, but will not occur in heavy fog or rain, according to the DMV.

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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:53 pm

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Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:32 pm
Microsoft invests in Cruise in new $2 billion round
https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/19/micro ... ion-round/
Cruise has raised $2 billion in a new equity round that has pushed its valuation up to $30 billion and delivered Microsoft as an investor and partner.

GM, Honda and other institutional investors have also put more capital into Cruise as the autonomous vehicle company inches closer to commercializing its technology.

While Microsoft’s capital is important, the partnership might provide equal and longer-term value for Cruise, at least in the two companies’ views. Under the long-term strategic partnership, Cruise will use Azure, Microsoft’s cloud and edge computing platform, for its yet-to-be launched autonomous vehicle ride-hailing service.
Walmart investing in GM’s Cruise self-driving car company
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/walmart ... mpany.html

Walmart helps push Cruise’s latest investment round to $2.75B
https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/15/walma ... -to-2-75b/

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