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Elon Musk offers teen $5,000 to stop tracking his private jet
The young man asked for a Model 3 instead
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/01/28/elon-musk-offers-cash-stop-tracking-plane/
 
cwerdna said:
Elon Musk offers teen $5,000 to stop tracking his private jet
The young man asked for a Model 3 instead
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/01/28/elon-musk-offers-cash-stop-tracking-plane/

If he bought the guy off, an equivalent bot would no doubt be online again in short order. ADS-B data is public. And the dude wants an internship as a reward for letting the world stalk the CEO? Yeah. Hire that guy. :roll:
 
Yes, hire him. Then find out what he does and doesn't like, pay him enough that he'll never quit, but make his entire working career miserable.


I'm pretty sure that someone did that to me. :(
 
I'm wondering if this is why they haven't implanted tesla owners with a Chip yet....



https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/extreme-suffering-15-23-monkeys-205653491.html
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/07/28/synchron-elon-musk-neuralink-fda-trial-brain-computer-implant/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-fading-dream-of-the-computer-brain/%3famp=true

Neuralink is another prime example of a Tesla vaporware product that's hyped as revolutionary but is behind competitors.

There seems to be some confusion as to Musk's credentials - Musk has zero engineering education and experience despite the fan base attributions of genius- he is however, probably the greatest marketer since Donald Trump, or P.T. Barnum.

The sooner Tesla quits going through it's Elon Musk driven identity crises - the better off the brand will be.
 
gcrouse said:
Musk has zero engineering education and experience despite the fan base attributions of genius-
Only engineers can be geniuses, eh ?
Do you think that only engineers can have a science background ?
Do you think that a topic can only be learned in school ?
 
gcrouse said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/07/28/synchron-elon-musk-neuralink-fda-trial-brain-computer-implant/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-fading-dream-of-the-computer-brain/%3famp=true

Neuralink is another prime example of a Tesla vaporware product that's hyped as revolutionary but is behind competitors.

There seems to be some confusion as to Musk's credentials - Musk has zero engineering education and experience despite the fan base attributions of genius- he is however, probably the greatest marketer since Donald Trump, or P.T. Barnum.

The sooner Tesla quits going through it's Elon Musk driven identity crises - the better off the brand will be.

You don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer. I doubt Thomas Edison had an electrical degree either. A degree is just a shorthand way for an employer to check competency. Doesn't tell you about their actual skill.
 
johnlocke said:
gcrouse said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/07/28/synchron-elon-musk-neuralink-fda-trial-brain-computer-implant/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-fading-dream-of-the-computer-brain/%3famp=true

Neuralink is another prime example of a Tesla vaporware product that's hyped as revolutionary but is behind competitors.

There seems to be some confusion as to Musk's credentials - Musk has zero engineering education and experience despite the fan base attributions of genius- he is however, probably the greatest marketer since Donald Trump, or P.T. Barnum.

The sooner Tesla quits going through it's Elon Musk driven identity crises - the better off the brand will be.

You don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer. I doubt Thomas Edison had an electrical degree either. A degree is just a shorthand way for an employer to check competency. Doesn't tell you about their actual skill.

Didn't Edisons company electrocute an Elephant at Conie Island?

Don't give Elon any bright ideas. Monkey batteries coming soon.
 
For simplicity sake - I'm going to just post a combined response.

"Only engineers can be geniuses, eh ?"

Nowhere was that said. While someone doesn't have to be an engineer to be a genius - Elon possesses neither of those qualities.

"Do you think that only engineers can have a science background ?"

That was once again stated nowhere. A Bachelor's degree in physics doesn't make someone an engineer. Let me put it this way - Neil deGrasse Tyson (who's arguably a genius in the field that Musk has a Bachelor's degree) has a science background. I don't want to ride on an airplane that Neil deGrasse Tyson was responsible for engineering. Do you?

"Do you think that a topic can only be learned in school ?"

No.


"You don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer."

You're right. I used to do recruitment and placement for engineers for the government. Here's the minimum qualifications that were part of determining whether or not someone was qualified for the job.

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/0800/files/all-professional-engineering-positions-0800.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj7vbKEovv1AhUnDzQIHW-cDL0QFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Vcp-hGNpgQTESJwed2bv1)

In fact, Musk could theoretically have completed the coursework required for meeting the basic degree requirements. Not surprisingly, all of the engineers that were doing the interviews always selected folks who had an engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program or were registered Professional Engineers.


"I doubt Thomas Edison had an electrical degree either."

Thomas Edison has over 1,000 patents registered in his name. - You can probably name some of them. I can guarantee you can't name any of Musk's inventions of the top of your head.

Musk has 6.

5 of which have a small enough number of people that it's clear he contributed something and those predate Tesla. The last one has 17 people listed - it's doubtful Musk is doing much other than providing some overall direction as a CEO. His fragile ego is likely a large part of why he's listed - keep in mind this is the guy who sued the founders of Tesla to be listed as a co-founder.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/elon-musk

As you may be aware - times have changed since the late 1800s. For example, when I buy a plane ticket for an airline - i have expectations that the airplane i will be riding in wasn't built in someone's garage.

"A degree is just a shorthand way for an employer to check competency. Doesn't tell you about their actual skill."

You may consider me so advised. Although - AFAIK, I'm the only one of the three of us who's actually done recruitment and placement of engineers in any capacity.

What's entirely fascinating to me however that when faced with an assertion to the contrary of what you believe both of you were unable or unwilling to make a list of Musk's concrete accomplishments as an inventor - something that's not particularly hard since patents are a matter of public record. (https://www.uspto.gov/patents/search)

It's pretty telling when the most ardent supporters can't name a single invention and have to result to trying really, really hard to move the goalposts with arguing what engineers are and aren't in a bid to lower qualification standards.
 
gcrouse said:
AFAIK, I'm the only one of the three of us who's actually done recruitment and placement of engineers in any capacity.

So, you are an HR clerk with pretensions of understanding scientific ability, knowledge, and achievement.

Back to the ignore bucket you go.
 
SageBrush said:
gcrouse said:
AFAIK, I'm the only one of the three of us who's actually done recruitment and placement of engineers in any capacity.

So, you are an HR clerk with pretensions of understanding scientific ability, knowledge, and achievement.

Back to the ignore bucket you go.

LMFAO! Ad hominem attacks are the surest sign you don't know what you are talking about. Especially since by your standards - before my reply I was already 7/8ths of the way to being an engineer because I've checked out library books!

I brought up my former employment because it was directly relevant to what constitutes being qualified to be an engineer

I prefer your ignore bucket - your questions leave a lot to be desired and indicate a general lack of reading comprehension.

But, while we are at it - let's all hear your CV since you're totally the smartest guy on MNL. If you're looking for pretensions - you might consider a mirror first.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Ok, time to either be nice, or at least non-combative.

As snide as he's been to as many people as he has on this board - I think people are entitled to know from what high throne he makes such lofty pronouncements.
 
On the Web, you don't have to post anything about yourself. It can affect your credibility if you don't - especially if you are combative - but we all have the right to be anonymous.
 
gcrouse said:
For simplicity sake - I'm going to just post a combined response.

"Only engineers can be geniuses, eh ?"

Nowhere was that said. While someone doesn't have to be an engineer to be a genius - Elon possesses neither of those qualities.

"Do you think that only engineers can have a science background ?"

That was once again stated nowhere. A Bachelor's degree in physics doesn't make someone an engineer. Let me put it this way - Neil deGrasse Tyson (who's arguably a genius in the field that Musk has a Bachelor's degree) has a science background. I don't want to ride on an airplane that Neil deGrasse Tyson was responsible for engineering. Do you?

"Do you think that a topic can only be learned in school ?"

No.


"You don't need an engineering degree to be an engineer."

You're right. I used to do recruitment and placement for engineers for the government. Here's the minimum qualifications that were part of determining whether or not someone was qualified for the job.

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/0800/files/all-professional-engineering-positions-0800.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj7vbKEovv1AhUnDzQIHW-cDL0QFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Vcp-hGNpgQTESJwed2bv1)

In fact, Musk could theoretically have completed the coursework required for meeting the basic degree requirements. Not surprisingly, all of the engineers that were doing the interviews always selected folks who had an engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program or were registered Professional Engineers.


"I doubt Thomas Edison had an electrical degree either."

Thomas Edison has over 1,000 patents registered in his name. - You can probably name some of them. I can guarantee you can't name any of Musk's inventions of the top of your head.

Musk has 6.

5 of which have a small enough number of people that it's clear he contributed something and those predate Tesla. The last one has 17 people listed - it's doubtful Musk is doing much other than providing some overall direction as a CEO. His fragile ego is likely a large part of why he's listed - keep in mind this is the guy who sued the founders of Tesla to be listed as a co-founder.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/elon-musk

As you may be aware - times have changed since the late 1800s. For example, when I buy a plane ticket for an airline - i have expectations that the airplane i will be riding in wasn't built in someone's garage.

"A degree is just a shorthand way for an employer to check competency. Doesn't tell you about their actual skill."

You may consider me so advised. Although - AFAIK, I'm the only one of the three of us who's actually done recruitment and placement of engineers in any capacity.

What's entirely fascinating to me however that when faced with an assertion to the contrary of what you believe both of you were unable or unwilling to make a list of Musk's concrete accomplishments as an inventor - something that's not particularly hard since patents are a matter of public record. (https://www.uspto.gov/patents/search)

It's pretty telling when the most ardent supporters can't name a single invention and have to result to trying really, really hard to move the goalposts with arguing what engineers are and aren't in a bid to lower qualification standards.
OK, I get it that you don't like Elon. Perhaps he doesn't have any engineering skills. What he does have is several companies worth billions of dollars. If he has no engineering skills then he must have really good management skills and an uncanny ability to pick good engineers.. He's started two businesses that were based on ideas that couldn't possibly work according to the engineers of the day. Somehow Tesla and SpaceX succeeded anyway. By the way Elon has 18 patents, not 6.

Edison perfected the lightbulb but he bought the patent for it from someone else. Some of the patents held in his name were actually ideas from the engineers that worked for him. At one point, Tesla worked for Edison. Not saying Edison wasn't a genius but he didn't work alone either. Edison Labs was the first large scale industrial research company.
 
Actually, Edison's genius was mainly as a businessman. He put together a large, talented research team, and that team made, IIRC, most of the discoveries credited to Edison personally. I think that Musk is in the same class as Edison, although I don't know that there is a new Tesla in er, Tesla...
 
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