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Azrich
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LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 12:24 pm

I'm a sixth grade teacher and the science teacher next door had the electric company come out to do a demonstration on solar energy. This gave me the chance to talk about the LEAF with my students. I projected some of the photos from the Nissan site on my SmartBoard and was showing them the shifter knob, which is more like a switch since there are no gears.

A 12 year old girl in the front row said, "That is backwards. You click the knob back to go forward and push it up to go backward." She was right. I've seen the Japanese lady do this in the Nissan video.

Why is this backwards? Why don't we push it forward to go forward and backward to back up?
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 12:29 pm

How's the 'shift pattern' on the typical automatic transmission car? ;)

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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 12:30 pm

All cars with a center gearshift are "backwards". Park is always toward the front of the car followed by Reverse, Neutral, Drive and Low as you move toward the rear of the car. Nissan and Toyota followed suit with this direction when the designed the shifter in the Prius and the LEAF. The only difference is that they are centered and you then move to the reverse or drive position and it moves back to center on its own.
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 12:30 pm

I've always hated that arrangement, but i think it has to do with the early H pattern manual shifters. You had the four speeds in an "H" pattern and the reverse was a push down and outside of the "H" away from you and up. It was meant to ensure you were intentionally placing it into reverse. I am thinking this is a 'holdover' from that original layout.

I may place small plastic stickers over this, lest I drive through the back wall of my garage....
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 12:40 pm

All cars with a center gearshift are "backwards".
But why can't the LEAF be different, more intuitive?
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 2:13 pm

Yes - I think Leaf should make it more intuitive. Anyway, the shifter is not like a normal gear shifter anyway. It is more like a joystick.
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 2:23 pm

Every time I see one of these threads where people think this or that should be improved I start to worry somebody from Nissan will see it and decide to slip the schedule redesigning stuff.

From everything I've seen Leaf 1.0 is perfect just as it is. As long as they didn't put the gearshift on top of the roof I'll figure it out. I'm looking forward to getting mine in December or as soon as possible thereafter - the last thing anyone wants is another Aptera debacle.
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 2:26 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Every time I see one of these threads where people think this or that should be improved I start to worry somebody from Nissan will see it and decide to slip the schedule redesigning stuff.
The chance of that is nil. At this time I'm sure any slip is so costly for Nissan - it would have to be approved by Ghosn. And that won't happen because someone at Nissan saw some suggestion on the internets :mrgreen:
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 2:29 pm

Besides, if they start listening to "kids" we'll end up with refrigerated massage seats!
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Re: LEAF's Shifter Knob is backwards

Tue May 11, 2010 4:17 pm

Smiles..good reply mwalsh.
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