HyperMiler
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:18 pm

:idea: The metaphor I use is the way the car would move if my hand - via the shifter - would be touching the ground.

The hand would push forward to move the car back, and vice versa.

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Re: redesign the shifter

Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:16 pm

Its too late. Just leave it the way it is. We are all used to it now.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:55 pm

HyperMiler wrote::idea: The metaphor I use is the way the car would move if my hand - via the shifter - would be touching the ground.

The hand would push forward to move the car back, and vice versa.
Or a better example would be, rowing a canoe.

I am used to the way it is, and now I like it.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:16 am

In the age of never having enough cup holders, I find it surprising that auto manufacturers still use anything that resembles a mechanical gear selector and placed in the center console. Most are nothing more than electronic switches. A simple touch pad takes less space, has fewer moving parts, and can be placed on the face of a dashboard in the driver's line of sight. That would free up the center console for a decently placed armrest.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:11 am

rogersleaf wrote:In the age of never having enough cup holders, I find it surprising that auto manufacturers still use anything that resembles a mechanical gear selector and placed in the center console. Most are nothing more than electronic switches. A simple touch pad takes less space, has fewer moving parts, and can be placed on the face of a dashboard in the driver's line of sight. That would free up the center console for a decently placed armrest.
I love the push-button solution that Fiat uses in their 500e. Sadly that vehicle isn't available in Texas.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:28 am

rogersleaf wrote:In the age of never having enough cup holders, I find it surprising that auto manufacturers still use anything that resembles a mechanical gear selector and placed in the center console. Most are nothing more than electronic switches. A simple touch pad takes less space, has fewer moving parts, and can be placed on the face of a dashboard in the driver's line of sight. That would free up the center console for a decently placed armrest.
I've never had any issues with the armrest, save that I'd rather it not be fabric covered. The location is fine for me, perhaps because I have the seat all the way back on the track. Sitting so far back is one reason I'm very glad the LEAF doesn't have a dash mounted shifter: it is awkward to reach that far forward.

Like some others here, I think the shifter works fine and I long ago got used to it. And the LEAF is adequately endowed with cup holders.
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Re: redesign the shifter

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:29 pm

I've never had any issues with the armrest, save that I'd rather it not be fabric covered. The location is fine for me, perhaps because I have the seat all the way back on the track. Sitting so far back is one reason I'm very glad the LEAF doesn't have a dash mounted shifter: it is awkward to reach that far forward.

Like some others here, I think the shifter works fine and I long ago got used to it. And the LEAF is adequately endowed with cup holders.
It's a short leg issue for me. The seat is forward, neither armrest has good position. The Honda Civic I had before this had a sliding center armrest which worked perfect for my size.
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Re: please redesign the shifter!

Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:37 pm

johnrhansen wrote:It took me a minute to keep from getting mixed up with fwd and rev. It's opposite as to what I would intuitively think. But I got used to it.
I've had my Leaf over two months and haven't gotten used to it yet. My brother backed his into another car not long after getting his Leaf. Maybe my family just expects a car to go forward when we push a lever forwards. The shifter is my biggest gripe about the Leaf.
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Re: please redesign the shifter!

Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:12 pm

BlueandFav wrote:
johnrhansen wrote:It took me a minute to keep from getting mixed up with fwd and rev. It's opposite as to what I would intuitively think. But I got used to it.
I've had my Leaf over two months and haven't gotten used to it yet. My brother backed his into another car not long after getting his Leaf. Maybe my family just expects a car to go forward when we push a lever forwards. The shifter is my biggest gripe about the Leaf.
Funny thing is I'm the opposite. Having driven automatics with on the floor shifters I just naturally pulled back on the shifter to go forward. Of course the first time I thought about it explaining to someone else on how to shift to forward, pulling back on the shifter seemed like the wrong way to go :? Also having come from on the floor stick shift cars you'd think I would be tempted to push forward on the mouse just like on such manual cars you push the shifter forward for first gear, reverse is often times to the right and down(or back) :?
IMO our older('07) Prius has the best shifter, on the dash(and out of the way) down is forward, up is reverse which eliminates the confusion of forward and reverse. Better yet was an older Plymouth Valient(and I had it on a Dodge Dart as well) that had push button shifting, a number for each gear and a lever to the right of the buttons that you'd pull down to put it in Park 8-)
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