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Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:10 pm
by evnow
TomT wrote:Coda will start shipping shortly so you might want to add that one to the list... Also, the range of the base Tesla is 160 miles (230 and 300 are options)
I think EPA rating of Model S will be about 130 (assuming it is has the same efficiency as the lighter Leaf).

Yes, I could add a few more Coda, Think, Smart EV, Active-E/Mini-E.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:17 pm
by Rusty
I believe Karma's engine/motor/total HP are 200/400/400 (give or take a marketing 1). Total motor EV HP is 200, it only provides 400 motor HP if the ICE/GenSet is running full out. Other than to say 200/400*/400, I don't know how to say that. There's probably a similar star on torque, but I don't know the numbers.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:20 pm
by evnow
Rusty wrote:I believe Karma's engine/motor/total HP are 200/400/400 (give or take a marketing 1). Total motor EV HP is 200, it only provides 400 motor HP if the ICE/GenSet is running full out. Other than to say 200/400*/400, I don't know how to say that. There's probably a similar star on torque, but I don't know the numbers.
Fisker says there are 2 motors with 650 Nm torque, each.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:27 pm
by JRP3
evnow wrote:
I think EPA rating of Model S will be about 130 (assuming it is has the same efficiency as the lighter Leaf).
Although the cd and cdA may be better than the LEAF, boosting it's highway numbers.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:11 pm
by evnow
JRP3 wrote:Although the cd and cdA may be better than the LEAF, boosting it's highway numbers.
Leaf actually got 100 miles range (not just in LA04) in EPA combined test. The problem is the 30% cut that EPA imposes. S will have the issue.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:29 pm
by TomT
And I'm glad they did as it is much more representative of the real world for real drivers... Can you imagine the noise we'd be hearing if the EPA had said 100 and then there were all these people who weren't actually getting it?!
evnow wrote:
JRP3 wrote:Although the cd and cdA may be better than the LEAF, boosting it's highway numbers.
Leaf actually got 100 miles range (not just in LA04) in EPA combined test. The problem is the 30% cut that EPA imposes. S will have the issue.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:46 pm
by evnow
TomT wrote:And I'm glad they did as it is much more representative of the real world for real drivers... Can you imagine the noise we'd be hearing if the EPA had said 100 and then there were all these people who weren't actually getting it?!
True.

Anyway - Leaf with "24 kwh" battery has 73 miles. I just used this ratio to get S's range based on its 41 kwh battery. I've done similar extrapolation for other cars, wherever the range has a * next to it.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:47 pm
by JRP3
Aren't most people doing better than 73 miles? The 30% hit seems a bit extreme compared to real world results.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:42 pm
by TomT
Some do better and a few do worse. On average, it is not that far from reality considering all the variables...
JRP3 wrote:Aren't most people doing better than 73 miles? The 30% hit seems a bit extreme compared to real world results.

Re: All EVs, PHEVs specs/dimensions compared

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:26 am
by evnow
JRP3 wrote:Aren't most people doing better than 73 miles? The 30% hit seems a bit extreme compared to real world results.
73 miles is about 3.4 m/kwh. I think it is on the lower side - ofcourse in cold climates, driving on freeways you can go below that. But I'd say the average is better than that.