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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:44 pm

GRA wrote:... GM will support whatever sells.
... and makes healthy margins. Toyota is making record profits and they are doing that with oil burning cars. They aren't very likely to change when they are making money.

GM has recently let it slip that they are not making money on Volt, and they obviously will never make money on a converted compliance car like the Spark EV, yet there are people who will buy them.

We are a LOOOOOooooong way from the Big Boys starting to voluntarily produce EVs at an expected profit. A very long way.

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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:53 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
GRA wrote:... GM will support whatever sells.
... and makes healthy margins. Toyota is making record profits and they are doing that with oil burning cars. They aren't very likely to change when they are making money.

GM has recently let it slip that they are not making money on Volt, and they obviously will never make money on a converted compliance car like the Spark EV, yet there are people who will buy them.

We are a LOOOOOooooong way from the Big Boys starting to voluntarily produce EVs at an expected profit. A very long way.
Recently let it slip? Tony, GM has been saying from Day One that they didn't expect to make money on the 1st gen. Volt, that they regarded it as the buy-in cost of developing the technology (BMW is using the i3 to do the same thing for CFRP). I don't know if Nissan has yet made a profit selling LEAFs - I doubt it. And Tesla has yet to make a profit selling the S. Conversions will sell if they're good cars, but whether _any_ BEV/PHEV, regardless of whether it's a conversion or ground-up development can make a profit at the moment, remains unknown.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:41 am

GRA wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:
GRA wrote:... GM will support whatever sells.
... and makes healthy margins. Toyota is making record profits and they are doing that with oil burning cars. They aren't very likely to change when they are making money.

GM has recently let it slip that they are not making money on Volt, and they obviously will never make money on a converted compliance car like the Spark EV, yet there are people who will buy them.

We are a LOOOOOooooong way from the Big Boys starting to voluntarily produce EVs at an expected profit. A very long way.
Recently let it slip? Tony, GM has been saying from Day One that they didn't expect to make money on the 1st gen. Volt, that they regarded it as the buy-in cost of developing the technology (BMW is using the i3 to do the same thing for CFRP). I don't know if Nissan has yet made a profit selling LEAFs - I doubt it. And Tesla has yet to make a profit selling the S. Conversions will sell if they're good cars, but whether _any_ BEV/PHEV, regardless of whether it's a conversion or ground-up development can make a profit at the moment, remains unknown.
I don't know or even care about the others(most of those companies will be BK sooner rather than later) , but Tesla would be profitable selling Model S, if it weren't for the fact that they are in rapid growth mode. Growth takes a huge amount of capital. There is no other way around that.

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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:42 pm

Although it doesn't hurt Tesla a bit selling green credits to the rest of them except Nissan at a rate of $50 mil a year :lol:
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:50 am

Fleet Spark EV sales only in Canada, and no current plan for sales at all for Europe, as reported by:

Chevy Spark EV Electric Car: No Retail Sales In Canada, Europe



It's a frequently asked question: Will the 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV be sold where I live?

(Assuming you don't already live in California or Oregon, where the subcompact electric car has been on sale since June--or South Korea, where it's made.)

General Motors had earlier announced that sales of the Spark EV would expand to Europe, and also to Canada.

Checking in on that promise with Randy Fox of GM Communications, we find the plan has changed...

"We have decided to defer the launch of the Spark EV in Europe," Fox said.

"The market for pure EVs is still in its infancy and volumes are rather low," he continued.

"We will carefully observe how the market develops over time, and react accordingly."

And there you have it: Consumers in Canada and Europe will not be able to buy a Chevrolet Spark EV...


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/108 ... ada-europe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:43 pm

I understand the Europe part, but based on GM's statement, how does the reporter conclude that the Spark will not be available to consumers in Canada?

Chevy dealers are telling customers here that they will be able to test drive the Spark in December and then order the vehicle if desired.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:11 pm

Chevy Spark EV Priced at $29,995 in Canada; GM Confirms Public Sales Will Start in 2014 – No Longer to be Fleet-Only:
http://insideevs.com/chevy-spark-ev-pri ... leet-only/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Considering how small Leaf sales are in Canada (IIRC), I'm not sure I'd expect Spark EV sales there to exactly catch the world on fire either.

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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:57 pm

cwerdna wrote:Chevy Spark EV Priced at $29,995 in Canada; GM Confirms Public Sales Will Start in 2014 – No Longer to be Fleet-Only:
http://insideevs.com/chevy-spark-ev-pri ... leet-only/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Considering how small Leaf sales are in Canada (IIRC), I'm not sure I'd expect Spark EV sales there to exactly catch the world on fire either.
OTOH, it's got a TMS and better range to start with, both definite pluses in the Great White North when the temp drops.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:08 pm

As long as the heater works. Mine has been awol for a few times and I cannot catch it to bring it to the dealer to pull the code b/c family uses it and there is never the right time to bring it in. (We'll just drive with the seat heaters, blah, blah.)

Murphy's law kicks in every time I want it NOT to work and take it in. (The broken appliance works perfectly for the repairman.) It's maddening. Same goes for AC. It failed twice already and then it kicks in like nothing ever happened.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:33 pm

ILETRIC wrote:As long as the heater works. Mine has been awol for a few times and I cannot catch it to bring it to the dealer to pull the code b/c family uses it and there is never the right time to bring it in. (We'll just drive with the seat heaters, blah, blah.)

Murphy's law kicks in every time I want it NOT to work and take it in. (The broken appliance works perfectly for the repairman.) It's maddening. Same goes for AC. It failed twice already and then it kicks in like nothing ever happened.
The question then being which is the more critical CND, an HVAC system or a PDM failure to charge? :x
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

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