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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:44 pm

palmermd wrote:340 wH / mile (Leaf) versus 390 wH /mile (Smart) not talking about pack capacity.
Yes - Gary just had a brain freeze :lol:
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:45 pm

Thanks for the sticker and photo Skywagon!

Is it just me, or does the Smart look it it came out of a Chevron commercial? :D




Gary appears to be asking about pure pack VS LA4 distance, while the EPA deducts 30% 'fudge factor' for their consumption numbers.

Applees and banu-nus...or oranges...or something. :lol:

More here, Gary: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2433

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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:38 am

evnow wrote:
palmermd wrote:340 wH / mile (Leaf) versus 390 wH /mile (Smart) not talking about pack capacity.
Yes - Gary just had a brain freeze :lol:

Here is what we can do to improve the efficiency of the smart. Haha.

http://apteraforum.com/showpost.php?p=4 ... tcount=148
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:28 pm

I actually just sold my Dodge Nitro and bought a Smart Fourtwo Passion Coupe! I plan on selling it once I get my Leaf, but figured in the mean time I would have some fun. I sold my Nitro for $18,500 and bought a Passion Coupe for $18,000. While at the Smart Center (in La Vista, Nebraska) I saw 2 Electric Smarts'. The guy told me one had been spoken for while the other one hasn't. Went on a test drive and truly loved it, but I am sorry that lease is UNREASONABLE. I think if I really fall in love with the Smart and decide on a Smart EV, I would just wait for it to come out (the dealer told me that it will probably go for $20,000 or so).

Really liking the Smart fourtwo though! Really great car.
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:36 pm

This forum does its share of smart bashing but if a smart car is driven as intended it's a pretty nice car (we own an '08 Passion Coupe); it's when folks compare them to other cars not in the same class (yes, you can buy a Yaris or some other small pint size car for around the same money but it won't have half the features or 'charm' of a smart). Like Hummer's (gasp!) they are an acquired taste -- ours is pretty much driven by my son who prefers it over our Mazda3 GT (doesn't care for it's brakes), our VW Routan (simply too big to park) or even our Miata (his feet touch both the brake and clutch -- would have to drive without shoes!); he loves the full sunroof, heated seats, auto lights and wipers and the fact that he can always find a big enough spot to park it. Now I wouldn't recommend it on looong trips (ours didn't have cruise control available, but again not its intended purpose) but we did take it up to the MI UP and back; other than the winds over the bridge in Green Bay it handled the trip quite well but many hours in the saddle will give you 'flat butt'. I think interest in these cars with go up again once the gas price average gets past say $4.25/gal again ... you all know it's coming just a matter of time!

Best of luck with your new smart -- we also wish the EV version was more reasonably priced but it's a limted test so we'll wait and see --- BTW my other son went to UNL; go Huskers!!

Here in Chicago it looks like the Ford Focus EV will beat both the smart ED and the LEAF to market but we're waiting and watching --
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Yeah, I don't get the Smart car bashing. It is a great car. It handled the snow like a champ and the winds barely effect my driving, but to each their own. I am happy with my purchase and at the rate the Leaf is going I might end up getting a Smart EV before anyways. It also looks like the Ford Focus EV will make its way here before the Volt or Leaf. I am still unsure about the Smart EV. My cousin works at the LaVista Dealership (the Smart dealership for Omaha is attached to it) and he said "rumors" have the EV getting here in late November/early December. Who knows. It seems like we get new Fords here before anything else, not to mention "rumors" have the Ford Focus EV getting here in December as well. The Chevy dealer told me to not count on getting a Volt in NE before mid January (that was his liberal opinion as well). My Nissan dealership told me they MIGHT get a few Leafs to try out in the cold weather, but nothing was for certain.

I really like my Smart, and my dealer told me they (Smart) would be more than willing to buy back my car and put the money towards a Smart EV as soon as they get one. (Like I said "rumors" said late November/early December)

I go to UNO, but strongly considered UNL (almost ALL of my friends went there), but am happy with my decision. I go up there nearly every weekend and hang out. It is such a college town- I love it. Go Huskers is right, and our entry into the Big 10 is making the next College Football season seem like light years away.
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Thu May 12, 2011 9:09 pm

I drove the Smart ForTwo ED today and, as much as I've always wanted to like these little cars, it was an equally disappointing experience to the one I had with the ICE version I tested several years ago. But instead of just the small niggle I had with the transmission of the latter, this car's major disappointment was complete and utter lackluster performance. It could barely keep up with the LEAF I was following, making me push the go-pedal into the mat with pretty much every traffic signal departure in an effort to keep up (and I don't think the LEAF driver was even trying). No, kiddies, this is one to stay away from unless you really do want a glorified NEV.

BTW, I know that these are supposed to be lease only, but it came with a window sticker indicating a $45k purchase price on the model I drove, making the LEAF look like a real bargain when you compare them side-by-side.

So I know this mini-review is not going to endear me to the folks from Smart very much, but I gotta tell it like it is. FWIW, I haven't hated everything they've brought to market - I thought the Smart ForFour was a pretty good little hatchback (though not massively attractive)!

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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:26 am

Interesting study in the UK with smart EV's, perhaps due to more urban areas and congestion where the test was done versus the US but nice to see after people used them it changed their minds towards EV's ... they even mentioned "range anxiety" being a factor as well


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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:29 am

Mercedes Benz updates the smart ED ... more 'real world' top speed and driving range, 0-60 better than the 'test' ED 2011 but still not all that quick for a car of this size; wonder how much?


http://www.autoweek.com/article/2011081 ... dailydrive
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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:41 am

redLEAF wrote:Mercedes Benz updates the smart ED ... more 'real world' top speed and driving range, 0-60 better than the 'test' ED 2011 but still not all that quick for a car of this size; wonder how much?
I'd like to have a crack at it. If the more powerful motor would at least solve the problem of poor acceleration off the line, even if it did take a fair old time to reach 60mph, that would be half the battle. So would being able to cruise comfortably at 65mph.
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