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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:11 am

Christopher wrote:
First Guy wrote:
Other Guy wrote: No, it's a three year program for Toyota: model years 2012-2014.
kinda sounds like there may be a few lingering on the lots at least a bit into 2015
Maybe... but they also all disappear quickly whenever they offer these deals to knock off $10-14,000. Take a look at the myrav4ev.com forum to see a history of this. I'm sure they'll be able to get rid of them easily enough.
Now at $16,500 off. These will all be gone by the end of 2014.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:15 am

edatoakrun wrote:
Servicing is a Big Issue With the Toyota RAV4 EV (Especially Outside California)

By Jim Motavalli · February 21, 2014

Toyota is facing a small tsunami of concern relating to servicing of its RAV4 EV, which sports many components (electric powertrain with battery pack, charging system, inverter, motor, gearbox and associated software) from Tesla.

I pontificated many of these issues in an article I wrote on this forum some time ago:

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Since I wrote that article, I took Toyota to a "Lemon Law" hearing for them to take back my car, after it spent over a month in the shop. For the several (many?) other Rav4 EV's that Toyota has voluntarily taken back with a hushed tone with no public hearing or fanfare, and with many of the same issues as my car, Toyota decided to fight me.

The "evidence" that Toyota used in the hearing to indicate that their car is perfect, and that I'm a bad person who destroyed their perfectly fine car came from literally THOUSANDS of my forum posts and articles. They actually had them printed out in a big, thick pile. Let's just say that the arbitrator is paid for by Toyota and I lost that round, and now I have to go to real court to get this resolved. Since I am frequently out the country on business, this whole process is a real pain.

I otherwise really like the car, if it could just stay out of the shop. Sadly, in the last week or two, the car refused to go into gear with my wife at the wheel and me half way around the world. Sadly, I know the issue all too well, and the best I'd get from Toyota is that they either couldn't duplicate the problem, or they couldn't fix the problem. That doesn't mean that the folks at Tesla and the folks in the research end of Toyota in Detroit, Michigan aren't working on all these problems. There is a new firmware update regularly, the latest being version 1.3.83, from 1.3.50-ish when I bought my car.

So, what's next for me? I bought a second Rav4 EV for our company, Quick Charge Power LLC, so that we can use it to develop a CHAdeMO quick charge port for those cars. We call that project "JdeMO". Much like Tesla Model S can do now, I hope to be able to drive a Rav4 EV from Mexico to Canada with nothing but DC quick charging all along the route.

Hopefully, Toyota will get most of the bugs addressed before the production stops sometime this year. I fear that once they are producing their hydrogen Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) compliance car for California only, this CARB-ZEV compliance car will be quickly forgotten. Perhaps, with good riddance!

For the record, Toyoyta and other companies producing ZEV hydrogen cars for California will get 9 credits per car, with $68 million in California tax payer money devoted to building hydrogen stations for them. Obviously, nobody will want to take one out of state. Win, win, win for Toyota.

In contrast, the Rav4 EV only gets 3 credits, people like them outside of California where Toyota doesn't get 3 credits, and they have to pay a sub-contractor (Tesla) a lot of money per vehicle. Plus, there is no diligent California program for EV quick charging like Washington state and Oregon have with their West Coast Electric Highway.

The Rav4 EV was always the interim compliance car, and it shows.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:48 am

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The Rav4 EV was always the interim compliance car, and it shows.
If they only complied with their compliance intent! It's a sad dance to watch. After being through heaven to hell with the ActiveE, I'm not sure if I will ever be able to drive a low-volume EV. Not unless I was close to the development team. We had the best after-sales specialist on this planet in Oxnard, CA. If it wasn't for him, I would have lemon-lawed the car long time ago.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:56 am

I really really really want to trade in my leaf for rav 4 ev. I spend so much time sitting around waiting to get a get in line for a quick charge and then to finallly charge to go anywhere long distance. My 2011 leaf only goes another 55 miles freeway after a quick charge session so the rav 4 ev would save me a ton of time (the Leaf goes much less distance if there is a mountain along the route).

The possibility of having the rav 4 in the shop all the time is a pretty big dealbreaker. On the other hand if Tony can get the quick charger working for the rav 4 that would be epic.

I guess I'll just wait to see what happens first, the 150 mile leaf :) or the rav4 with a QCing upgrade by Tony.

If only Toyota would support a L3 QCer on the Rav4 themselves they would have a real hit. Another example of Toyota not trying to be successful with this car. Same goes for the ford focus and the honda fit ev.... every EV should have level 3 charging standard, otherwise the car is a sad joke. Imagine having to take 3-8 hours to fill a car with a tank of gas, and sometimes having to wait til the person in front of you finishes filling first before you can fill up. For all the smart people at these big auto companies they sure seem to make poor decisions around ev's that confirm their tepidness around ev's after they make poorly planned products that don't sell well.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:58 am

EVDrive, there are a ton of happy Rav4-EV drivers out there. Don't let the EV system error business scare you. Despite the odd quirk here and there, you just can't say enough about having a battery twice as big as the Leaf's, at a very reasonable price. If I were you I'd snatch one up now - who knows when this deal is going away and how crappy the next one will be. I wish I bought two back when it was $10k off a purchase with 0% apr, but the current lease deal is pretty great too.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:39 am

fooljoe wrote: I wish I bought two back when it was $10k off a purchase with 0% apr, but the current lease deal is pretty great too.
The current deal is fantastic. If you lease and then buyout the lease at the end it's like a purchase price of $33k. $16,500 off the $49500 price of the Rav. Pretty close to the price of the Leaf SL but with much more room in the car and twice the battery (not quite twice the range due to it being a big box).
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:46 am

I pulled the trigger on a white one yesterday. I'm quite pleased. I started out in Carson with the car and drove 100 miles home. I still had 4 bars of battery left, and could have taken the family out for dinner and shopping if I had wanted to. I'm crossing my fingers that I either don't see the problem, or they get it fixed before it becomes an issue for me.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:07 am

palmermd wrote:like a purchase price of $33k
We should note that you mean $33k after the $7500 tax credit, so in purchase terms the current lease deal translates to about $9k off (not sure exactly how it works with the strange lease fees and taxes, but the money factor on this lease is virtually 0) - you're still talking about $5k more than a Leaf SL. You can pay a little more for an unlimited mileage lease, however, so if you drive a lot that can make this lease a very good deal.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:15 am

So, the unlimited miles lease works out to be in the mid-$400, is that right?

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:21 am

Here's the thread with the latest deals from Dianne at Carson Toyota. Of course you could try to shop around at other dealers too, but Dianne's far and away the leader in Rav4-EV sales.
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