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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:40 pm

fooljoe wrote:Yeah, but that Leaf lease is for the completely stripped-down Leaf S version - not exactly fair to compare the Rav to that. And Smart EV? Come on... :lol:
not always. I got S with charge, mud flaps, floor mats

zero down (actually it was MINUS $35.75 down due to tab fees refund)

15,000 miles $245.75 a month

the unlimited miles on the RAV is the real value. i would pay more for that on the LEAF
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:49 pm

Please remind me if RAV4-EV will still be selling into late 2015?
I realize when they are gone they are gone but will they close out this year or next?

I think this might be my next step if the Nissan warranty does not hand me a battery by summer 2015.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV
RAV4 traded in for I-Pace Dec 2018

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:19 pm

smkettner wrote:Please remind me if RAV4-EV will still be selling into late 2015?
I realize when they are gone they are gone but will they close out this year or next?

I think this might be my next step if the Nissan warranty does not hand me a battery by summer 2015.
No, it's a three year program for Toyota: model years 2012-2014.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:22 pm

Christopher wrote:
smkettner wrote:Please remind me if RAV4-EV will still be selling into late 2015?
I realize when they are gone they are gone but will they close out this year or next?

I think this might be my next step if the Nissan warranty does not hand me a battery by summer 2015.
No, it's a three year program for Toyota: model years 2012-2014.
kinda sounds like there may be a few lingering on the lots at least a bit into 2015
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:25 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Christopher wrote:
smkettner wrote:Please remind me if RAV4-EV will still be selling into late 2015?
I realize when they are gone they are gone but will they close out this year or next?

I think this might be my next step if the Nissan warranty does not hand me a battery by summer 2015.
No, it's a three year program for Toyota: model years 2012-2014.
kinda sounds like there may be a few lingering on the lots at least a bit into 2015
Maybe... but they also all disappear quickly whenever they offer these deals to knock off $10-14,000. Take a look at the myrav4ev.com forum to see a history of this. I'm sure they'll be able to get rid of them easily enough.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:35 am

For those interested, a RAV4 EV group has been recently started on Facebook. It's getting very good traction, and hopefully it will be a good resource for you:

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:18 pm

surfingslovak wrote:For those interested, a RAV4 EV group has been recently started on Facebook. It's getting very good traction, and hopefully it will be a good resource for you:
Sadly only for those on Facebook.

There is the dedicated RAV4 EV forum out on the open internet though:
http://www.myrav4ev.com

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:09 pm

The JESLAtm portable 40 amp J1772 charging solution is becoming very popular for Rav4 EV with its unique 40 amp onboard charger.

Now, all products from Quick Charge Power now carry a 1 year limited warranty.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:53 pm

Christopher wrote:
smkettner wrote:Please remind me if RAV4-EV will still be selling into late 2015? I realize when they are gone they are gone but will they close out this year or next?
No, it's a three year program for Toyota: model years 2012-2014.
Also, any replacement with another BEV is unlikely. As predicted by Tony Williams and others some time ago, Toyota intends to meet CARB ZEV in the future with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, and their first one is due next year if the reports are accurate:

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... oyota-fcv/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:28 pm

Servicing is a Big Issue With the Toyota RAV4 EV (Especially Outside California)

By Jim Motavalli · February 21, 2014

Toyota is facing a small tsunami of concern relating to servicing of its RAV4 EV, which sports many components (electric powertrain with battery pack, charging system, inverter, motor, gearbox and associated software) from Tesla.

Servicing That's Not Routine

In our previous article on this topic, Toyota said that the car can get routine servicing at any Toyota dealer, but in an online forum RAV4 owners deny this. Jspearman writes, “Toyota WILL NOT provide routine service to RAV4 EVs outside of their 25 [specially designated EV] dealers….Despite the fact I paid an extra $1,200 for Toyota Extra Care, it doesn’t matter. I have to drive 2 1/2 hours to a certified dealer to even get a firmware update. Lousy service. I promise that I will never ever own another Toyota unless they get their act together.”

There’s also a lot of complaints with the ill-performing and Tesla-supplied Gateway ECU, which handles communications between Toyota and Tesla parts. Apparently, they don’t always speak the same language. One owner, “Raver,” reports getting a “screen of death” with just 2,500 miles on the odometer. “Sea Monster” of Tiburon and “TonyWilliams” of San Diego report similar issues, with both cars in the shop for extended periods.

Tesla declined to comment, and it’s unclear why the company isn’t more responsive in answering service questions about the car. According to Toyota's Jana Hartline, "The RAV4 is a Toyota product, and Tesla is a supplier for that product. We do work closely with Tesla to ensure the quality and durability of the vehicle and all components."

No One's Home

Other owners are mega-annoyed after showing up for scheduled maintenance at one of the certified EV service centers and being sent home because no qualified tech is available. Problems are especially acute for out-of-state owners, who really have to jump through hoops to get service—and can’t get the free 5,000- and 10,000-mile ToyotaCare service or roadside assistance.

“RAV4 EV ToyotaCare does not apply out of state,” says Hartline. “Although a customer can technically take their vehicle to any dealership for, say, a tire rotation, that service would not be covered under ToyotaCare.”

Hartline defends the company’s service network. “There are actually 53 Toyota dealers in California who sell and service the RAV4 EV, not 25 as some have said on the EV forum,” she said. “These dealers voluntarily opted-in to the program, and they invested in specialized equipment and training.”

Why Aren't They More Worried?

Since Toyota is renowned both for quality and service, one does have to ask, as owner Dr. Mike Bornstein does, “Why is Toyota doing this? Is there some financial reason behind their actions?...Although built as a compliance car, the RAV4 EV would be very popular in the EV community if properly advertised.”

I agree. As Brad Berman wrote in this space, it’s basically a bargain Tesla, wrapped in the body of a proven-in-the-field high-utility Toyota. What’s not to like? ...
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On the other hand, you could alternately describe The RAV4 EV as a sh*t-on-stale-white-bread-sandwich, consisting of Toyota's discontinued ICEV design, surrounding the unreliable Tesla drivetrain.

And built in only tiny numbers for compliance purposes so that the parts and service are assured of being difficult when new, and near impossible to get as time goes on.

What could possibly go wrong for the RAV4 EV owner?

Too bad for the class-action Bar that Toyota never sold enough of these things to add up to a very big payoff, as it sounds like it could be a nearly sure-thing in the courts.
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