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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:51 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:The 2012 Toyota Rav4 EV:

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The Tesla 10kW charger on the Rav4:

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Some box in the left rear corner of the Rav4:

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This morning's drive after a "range mode" charge (100% in LEAF speak):

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This morning, after the 35 minute drive:

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After I turned the car off:

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can't wait for your full range report, etc. 65MPH highway test, etc.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:19 pm

Any idea how efficient the heating is for those? Do they have heated seats like the Leaf?

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:03 pm

gsleaf wrote:Any idea how efficient the heating is for those? Do they have heated seats like the Leaf?
Seat heaters are included.
I really enjoyed the RAV4 EV I drove for a weekend. If it were available when I bought my LEAF I would have gone RAV4. It's a much more solid vehicle. Although it's a conversion, Tesla's power train fits so well into the chassis, it seemed purpose built to me.
The range was a solid 100 mi on the freeway. I can easily see getting 150 miles in a pinch. Sport mode is right on the edge of what seems safe with such a suspension; it really moves.
It's heavy and not as aero and measured about 20% less efficient. On a route I know well, my LEAF delivered 3.9 mi.kWh compared to about 3.1 on the RAV4.
Looking forward to TonyWilliam's write-up.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:16 pm

TonyWilliams,
I think you drove the same one that I did a month ago. If these don't move, maybe they will bargain in price.

I might be in if I can get it for around $5K discount.

Nice ride though,
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:09 pm

sparky wrote:
gsleaf wrote:Any idea how efficient the heating is for those? Do they have heated seats like the Leaf?
Seat heaters are included.
I really enjoyed the RAV4 EV I drove for a weekend. If it were available when I bought my LEAF I would have gone RAV4. It's a much more solid vehicle. Although it's a conversion, Tesla's power train fits so well into the chassis, it seemed purpose built to me.
The range was a solid 100 mi on the freeway. I can easily see getting 150 miles in a pinch. Sport mode is right on the edge of what seems safe with such a suspension; it really moves.
It's heavy and not as aero and measured about 20% less efficient. On a route I know well, my LEAF delivered 3.9 mi.kWh compared to about 3.1 on the RAV4.
Looking forward to TonyWilliam's write-up.
The power in sport mode is almost nutty. I had the left front suspension in full wheel hop while spinning the crap out of the tires (and torque steering that gives you a quick 20 degree change in heading :ugeek: ).

I have driven about 90 miles, and the GoM is ROCK SOLID!!! Never hunting around for the distance. Thank you Tesla for schooling the "guys with 17 years of EV experience". Currently, after a "range" (Tesla speak) or "extended" (Toyota speak) charge (our 100%), I have about 1/3 energy still remaining on the gas gauge. I think I can drive this thing 120 miles EASY. I really, really like not coming up short every day, and planning trips around pathetic 16 amp charges in LEAF. With Rav4, it's 6.6/7.2kW at virtually every public L2, and 10kW (40/42amps) at RV parks with OpenEVSE portable and a simple NEMA 14-50P.

Tidbits- won't hold speed in cruise control in B mode (similar to ECO, without screwing with the accelerator pedal sensitivity... Regen increase only). The normal regen is weak, and B is similar to ECO mode. The good news; no herky-jerky regen like BMW (although I'd like a B2 and B3 with increasingly more regen).

When walking ul to the car, it will automatically unlock the door. Pushing the door button then relics the car. Very frustrating coming from Nissan / Infiniti cars.

The is not automatic transmission "creep", nor do I see a way to select creep (like Tesla).

There is an irritating loud beeping inside the car when the gear selelctor is in reverse. I would find that noise maker and disable on day one. There are no outside noise makers (VSP on LEAF) or backup chimes / beeps.

No guidelines on reverse camera. Nissan did a great job on this.

I like charger time scheduling, I think. I put in the timer, and it started charging as soon as I plugged it in. I have no idea what I did wrong.

Passing power is way better at highway speeds. It doesn't "hit the wall" at 45mph while accelerating. Steering is not as twitchy, with less power steering boost. It feels solid. I don't like the steering wheel feel, compared to 2012 LEAF with "natural" bumps at 10 and 2 o'clock for your hands, but way better than 2011 LEAF plastic steering wheel. I don't think it is heated, however.

No charging stations in the Navigation. I don't think this is bad, because I carry an iPad with far more up to date info. But, it is an oversight.

More car wind noise, including tires. Not bad, just more. Tires look like "real" Yokohama tires, not cheap recycled Ecopia's.

No volume control knob (aka Tesla "feature"). I don't like it. Headlights are good, but still incandescent bulbs for high beam.

Idiotic refueling port at the existing gasoline port. I enjoyed trying to walk around the car with the handle sticking out the side. Brought to you with the "Frankenplug" mentality (they wanted it to fit where gasoline goes... apparently that's a benefit for EVs). There are two little lights in the window above the charger port. I don't know exactly what they indicate, but presumably something similar to our three dash blue lights.

Tailgate opens from left to right. You have to stand in traffic to open when parked on side of road. Great for Japan and England with right hand drive.

Preliminary data:

75mph - 2.8 m/kWh
70mph - 3.1
65mph - 3.3
60mph - 3.6

Über secret rolling hill test results : 78mph peak vice 81mph for LEAF. Unfortunately, we're not making a completely valid test, since the Rav4 weighs more, but it is surprisingly close. With a 1 foot square box on top of LEAF, it went 73mph. Toyota says 0.30 Cd, and Nissan says 0.29 Cd for LEAF (but with much smaller flat plate area).

Did I mention this thing hauls butt? I can't even imagine what a $7000 more expensive car with the same motor at "normal" power will do (154 hp (115 kW) max, peak torque in Sport Mode: 273 lb.-ft., peak torque in Normal Mode: 218 lb.-ft. vs 300hp+). Range will be greater in Model S with the same 40kWh battery pack and 0.24 Cd.
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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:23 pm

TonyWilliams wrote: The power in sport mode is almost nutty. I had the left front suspension in full wheel hop while spin the crap out of the tires (and torque steering that gives you a quick 20 degree change in heading :ugeek: ).
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Tidbits- won't hold speed in cruise control in B mode (similar to ECO, without screwing with the accelerator pedal sensitivity... Regen increase only).
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Idiotic refueling port at the existing gasoline port.
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Tailgate opens from left to right. You have to stand in traffic to open when parked on side of road. Great for Japan and England with right hand drive.
Hahha. Yeah, it was VERY easy to chirp the tires when I tried it at Alt Car Expo. :) Hehe about the torque steer. If they had only made it RWD or AWD.

As for cruise control not working in B mode, that's the way it is on the Prius, so that's no surprise. (On Prius, one shouldn't drive in B mode 99% of the time anyway.)

I'm not surprised about the refueling port location. I don't think Toyota wanted to have to make too many changes.

As for the dumb tailgate, my dad's (ICE) 02 Rav 4 is like that too. For whatever reason, Toyota didn't want to mirror it so that it makes sense for those who drive on the right side of the road.
Statik wrote: http://insideevs.com/toyota-rav4-ev-103 ... ase-offer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Also added a newly minted video from Toyota at the end of the artile on the RAV EV4 and "Smart Energy Management", stuff about efficient systems, regen, etc...kinda interesting)
Re: videos, I count 5 of them at http://www.toyota.com/esq/vehicles/elec ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (4 at the bottom).

One the of the Priuschat moderators put up a video at http://priuschat.com/threads/rav4ev.113 ... st-1639814" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The Prius Experts (mostly moderators) were invited to Toyota to drive it.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:42 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:There are two little lights in the window above the charger port. I don't know exactly what they indicate, but presumably something similar to our three dash blue lights.
Yeah, similar to LEAF. When the left is only blinking, the car is charging and under 50%. When the left is solid & right is blinking, it's charging and over 50%. Both solid is Charge Complete.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:50 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:Idiotic refueling port at the existing gasoline port. I enjoyed trying to walk around the car with the handle sticking out the side. Brought to you with the "Frankenplug" mentality (they wanted it to fit where gasoline goes... apparently that's a benefit for EVs).
Yes, dumb is the key word here. It's been one of my top complaints about the ActiveE as well. But alas, one will resign to this design travesty eventually. Image

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:57 pm

The production Toyota Plug-In Prius is dreadful as well. Left rear, Petrol. Right rear, J1772. At least Ford and Honda are sticking with the driver's side front, like GM.

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Re: Official Toyota RAV4 EV Thread

Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:04 pm

grommet wrote:The production Toyota Plug-In Prius is dreadful as well. Left rear, Petrol. Right rear, J1772. At least Ford and Honda are sticking with the driver's side front, like GM.
Yeah, it was moved from the front fender of the car on the PHV Prius demo vehicles to the back in the production PiP. I can't find the original thread where http://priuschat.com/threads/why-is-the ... st-1421056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is mentioned, but a Toyota official (I have met her, she's the real deal) chimed in at http://priuschat.com/threads/why-is-the ... st-1427022" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

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