DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:09 pm

danrjones wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
SageBrush wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:27 am
danrjones wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:31 am
But I agree with them at the end of the video, I'm not driving my vehicle down that low, so hiding part of the EPA range is not helpful (to me).
But you are driving down that low, if you are talking about any car other than a Tesla

And they redid their test, so Tesla can be happy now. they ran them until they died.


But as far as me driving down that low, I don't know what you mean. I don't think i have ever taken my car below 10%. Certainly not 0%.

I would prefer 0% to mean 0% useable range to the user. YMMV.
That would quadruple the number of EVs sitting on the side of the road! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Just remember a regular gasoline fuel gauge empty does not mean empty it means some mysterious reserve left. Manufacturers did that for the lowest common denominator to stop them being stranded on the side of a road. I had a discussion with a tow truck driver at an EV related thing and he said he has been called many times over the years for people just running out of gas more than I would believe. He personally has never had to tow an EV due to being out of power yet, I am sure that is just due to the lower percentage of electric vehicles in the area and a higher percentage of early adopters watching power so closely. Anyway there is a reason 0% charge display is not 0%, it is to scare you into charging. I personally want the lowest common denominator to drive EVs.

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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:54 pm

salyavin wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:39 pm
Just remember a regular gasoline fuel gauge empty does not mean empty it means some mysterious reserve left. Manufacturers did that for the lowest common denominator to stop them being stranded on the side of a road. I had a discussion with a tow truck driver at an EV related thing and he said he has been called many times over the years for people just running out of gas more than I would believe. He personally has never had to tow an EV due to being out of power yet, I am sure that is just due to the lower percentage of electric vehicles in the area and a higher percentage of early adopters watching power so closely. Anyway there is a reason 0% charge display is not 0%, it is to scare you into charging. I personally want the lowest common denominator to drive EVs.

For a LEAF if you want to real numbers there is a wonderful app called LEAF spy.
True enough. But one of the bigger differences is an EV with a flat battery on the side of the road cannot be easily recharged far enough to make it to the next charger, whereas a gerry can with a gallon of gas is sufficient to get an ICE back on the road with enough range to make the next gas station.

The consequences of running to really empty are a lot bigger for EV drivers.
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:11 pm

On my wife's 1988 GMC pickup, when the gas gauge hits the E line, it is empty, as in time to walk to a gas station. Every car is different in my experience.

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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:25 pm

Unfortunately some of the newer vehicles, at least a couple I've driven lack the nice analog gauge and have a 10 LED vertical bar for the gas gauge. The last one does start to flash when it gets really low but the DTE miles will go from 30'ish miles to ---, just when you need it most!
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:45 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:09 pm
danrjones wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
SageBrush wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:27 am

But you are driving down that low, if you are talking about any car other than a Tesla

And they redid their test, so Tesla can be happy now. they ran them until they died.


But as far as me driving down that low, I don't know what you mean. I don't think i have ever taken my car below 10%. Certainly not 0%.

I would prefer 0% to mean 0% useable range to the user. YMMV.
That would quadruple the number of EVs sitting on the side of the road! :lol: :lol:
I'm do not buy that.

Maybe we should do a poll but I just don't see people going to 0% unless they are doing a range test.

Who here takes their EV here to 0% on normal driving? Anyone?

I'm fine with a few mile buffer. But Edmunds found useable buffers of almost 10% on some vehicles. You are paying for that range but not getting it, unless you are crazy and go past zero. That doesn't make sense to me.

It also doesn't seem real world, which was the point of the original range test. In the real world I'm not going below 10%. But likely 15 or even 20%.

From watching videos even the YouTube folks who push their vehicles pull in at 2 maybe 3%. And I think they are nuts. Fun to watch but nuts.
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:09 pm

I seldom go below ten percent...... but this is the big advantage of the 62 KW battery, hardly ever need to find out the actual max range.... charge to 60 or 80, run to 20 or 30, charge back up....
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:59 pm

With LeafSpy, at least on my 2020 SL Plus, the charge gauge is correct past 50% and up but once the charge level gets below 50%, then the two start to diverge by over 10% until it reaches the "bottom" which at 0%, LeafSpy still shows enough power to drive another 30 miles. For technical people, yeah it would be nice if the gauge would add that extra +30 miles but I think as the battery sizes get bigger, all of us EV drivers are playing a game of dick waving (sorry ladies, don't know what term to combo that with) about who's number is bigger for remaining range. When I fully charge my EV, it shows 252 miles of range. Maybe it would be cool if it said 282 miles? Well I know it won't do 282 miles on the interstate doing 70 MPH but also it will do that range if I am driving slow enough to average 5 miles / kWH, so as has been repeated many times here, a real world test is just a set of variables tested and the results. My real world driving is much different than everyone else. I run tires inflated over 36 PSI recommended, I know how to minimize AC/Heat use, etc. We all learn the tricks to maximize range well past what the EPA test with.
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:37 am

danrjones wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
But as far as me driving down that low, I don't know what you mean. I don't think i have ever taken my car below 10%. Certainly not 0%.

I would prefer 0% to mean 0% useable range to the user. YMMV.
10% on the gauge or with Leafspy?

When I found out about Leafspy and saw I still had 20% when the gauge says 10% I didn't worry anymore.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Real World EV Range Listings

Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:46 am

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:54 pm
salyavin wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:39 pm
Just remember a regular gasoline fuel gauge empty does not mean empty it means some mysterious reserve left. Manufacturers did that for the lowest common denominator to stop them being stranded on the side of a road. I had a discussion with a tow truck driver at an EV related thing and he said he has been called many times over the years for people just running out of gas more than I would believe. He personally has never had to tow an EV due to being out of power yet, I am sure that is just due to the lower percentage of electric vehicles in the area and a higher percentage of early adopters watching power so closely. Anyway there is a reason 0% charge display is not 0%, it is to scare you into charging. I personally want the lowest common denominator to drive EVs.

For a LEAF if you want to real numbers there is a wonderful app called LEAF spy.
True enough. But one of the bigger differences is an EV with a flat battery on the side of the road cannot be easily recharged far enough to make it to the next charger, whereas a gerry can with a gallon of gas is sufficient to get an ICE back on the road with enough range to make the next gas station.

The consequences of running to really empty are a lot bigger for EV drivers.
LOL!! OMG...Have you looked at the calendar lately? Your scenario was copied from the pages of Oil Digest :lol:

You say that like sitting on the side of the road waiting for emergency gas is a minor inconvenience. You are HILARIOUS
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