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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:44 pm

Re charging speed, yes. I was comparing the 38 min. 5-80% charge to the Niro's 42 min. 20-80% and its 54 min. either 0- or 5-80%.

The extra 20 miles of hwy range of the 2020 Bolt is pretty important to me, and a used pre-2020 will also have some degradation which is why I'm thinking lease, plus I don't need to hassle about selling it.

I looked at an Ionic a couple of years ago, and we have the same opinion re it's rear vis - it was totally unacceptable to me, like looking down a long narrow tunnel filled with obstacles.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:24 pm

Tom Moloughney at IEVS:
Volkswagen ID.4 First Drive Review
https://insideevs.com/reviews/447302/vo ... ve-review/
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:18 am

30 to 64 Cu ft? In my experience, if the fold down is more than double the hatch area, then the hatch area is smaller or the math is suspect.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:35 pm

A lot of modern cars have pushed the rear wheels out towards the end of the car, which boosts wheelbase and rear seat leg room but decreases cargo area with the seat up. It's the opposite of my priorities.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:04 am

GRA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:35 pm
A lot of modern cars have pushed the rear wheels out towards the end of the car, which boosts wheelbase and rear seat leg room but decreases cargo area with the seat up. It's the opposite of my priorities.
There is a balance for sure. I have two kids, so I regularly use the back seat. But they don't need nearly as much leg room as modern cars provide. They do not travel light, however, so we really need more trunk space. This trend really bothers me. It has gone too far.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:57 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:04 am
GRA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:35 pm
A lot of modern cars have pushed the rear wheels out towards the end of the car, which boosts wheelbase and rear seat leg room but decreases cargo area with the seat up. It's the opposite of my priorities.
There is a balance for sure. I have two kids, so I regularly use the back seat. But they don't need nearly as much leg room as modern cars provide. They do not travel light, however, so we really need more trunk space. This trend really bothers me. It has gone too far.
If true, 30 cu feet on a flat floor is a lot of room. The LEAF's 24 cu feet poses a problem if you are not prepared to do a little Tetris to utilize the space.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:25 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:57 am
GetOffYourGas wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:04 am
GRA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:35 pm
A lot of modern cars have pushed the rear wheels out towards the end of the car, which boosts wheelbase and rear seat leg room but decreases cargo area with the seat up. It's the opposite of my priorities.
There is a balance for sure. I have two kids, so I regularly use the back seat. But they don't need nearly as much leg room as modern cars provide. They do not travel light, however, so we really need more trunk space. This trend really bothers me. It has gone too far.
If true, 30 cu feet on a flat floor is a lot of room. The LEAF's 24 cu feet poses a problem if you are not prepared to do a little Tetris to utilize the space.
And the Bolt's 17 cu feet is almost entirely vertical. It can be like building a Jenga tower at times. Better park facing downhill!

The 30 cu feet on a flat floor is incredibly appealing to me.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:17 am

From preliminary review, the ID4 looks really good on most marks.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:05 pm

IEVS:
Volkswagen ID.3 Pro S (77 kWh) Shows Strong Fast Charging Curve
https://insideevs.com/news/448145/volks ... ing-curve/


Graph. The ID.4 has the same battery.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:38 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:17 am
From preliminary review, the ID4 looks really good on most marks.
I really like what I've seen on YouTube. My wife doesn't like the inside. A white steering wheel might be a dirt magnet though. And I wish the gold color was available in the states. 300 mile range would have been icing.
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