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Re: 2020 Volkswagen I.D. Crozz SUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:18 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:42 pm
Does Tesla know they Photoshopped the Model 3 into a VW SUV?
I didn't see that, but I did see Tesla Superchargers for the ID3 ;)

I've also heard people say 'Supercharging' when they mean generic DC fast charging.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:46 pm

GCR:
2021 VW ID.4 revealed: electric SUV starts at $41,490
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... s-at-41490


$41,490 is a typo, and it should be $41,190: $39,995 base MSRP + $1,140 dest. That's for the biggest battery, 82kWh (77 kWh usable) with RWD, available Q1 2021; AWD to follow later next year ($44,890, so $43,695 MSRP) and then cheaper versions with the medium size (62/58 kWh IIRR) pack in 2022 at "about" $36k.
At its maximum 125 kw, the ID.4 can get from a 5% to 80% state of charge in just 38 minutes. VW says that the 11-kw onboard charger will give drivers about 33 miles back in an hour, or a full charge in about 7.5 hours.
Not officially rated yet by EPA, but I hope VW is low-balling the range, as despite its greater drag and weight compared to a Bolt or Kona I'd expect at least 270 EPA from the 11 or more kWh larger pack.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:48 pm

I felt the intro video was well done. 15 minutes, nice and contained. Id3 appears to be showing up in volumes across Europe. Pretty impressive, though it sounds like software is a bit buggy.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:38 pm

Leasing info via GCC:
For highly qualified customers through Volkswagen Credit, the monthly lease payment for a 36-month lease with 10,000 miles a year, is $379 per month with $3,579 due at signing, excluding tax, title, license, options and dealer fees.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -vwoa.html

There's also more info there on equipment fit and options.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:38 pm

GRA wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:38 pm
Leasing info via GCC:
For highly qualified customers through Volkswagen Credit, the monthly lease payment for a 36-month lease with 10,000 miles a year, is $379 per month with $3,579 due at signing, excluding tax, title, license, options and dealer fees.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -vwoa.html

There's also more info there on equipment fit and options.
That's a rather crappy lease, especially as 10k a year leases are considered niche/teaser leases for those few like me who don't drive a lot. I wonder how much more a 12k mile lease is...
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:56 pm

If the range was closer to 300 I was pondering the possibility of a lease, but that's too high esp. as I'd want the even more expensive AWD. Leasing is dumb from a financial standpoint, but if I were only keeping the car for 3 years while waiting for something that better met my needs I could at least consider it, as the company could worry about longer term degradation.

10k/yr might or might not be okay for me. I've been driving far less than that,
averaging about 2k/yr for the past decade or so, but that's mainly because I've been limiting my out of state emissions, and with a ZEV I'd take the out of state trips I've been putting off for years. "Mr. Jevons', paradox on line 1!"
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:15 pm

Am I missing something? At 39,999 plus dest isn't this cheaper than the leaf plus, for more range and faster CCS charging? Probably a thermally managed pack too. It looks nice enough.

Hope it has matrix headlights like I've seen on the id3.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:43 pm

Leasing is dumb from a financial standpoint,
Often, but not always. My housemate got a financial incentive to lease her 2013 PIP. Then when she bought it off-lease, the total expenditure was pretty much the same as buying it off the lot in 2013 - but with the choice to walk away if the car didn't work well for her. Likewise, if she leases a 2019 SV+, with $12k in incentives, the residual would make eventual purchase attractive - but not mandatory. It would cost us more to buy the car now than to lease and then buy it.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:09 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Leasing is dumb from a financial standpoint,
Often, but not always. My housemate got a financial incentive to lease her 2013 PIP. Then when she bought it off-lease, the total expenditure was pretty much the same as buying it off the lot in 2013 - but with the choice to walk away if the car didn't work well for her. Likewise, if she leases a 2019 SV+, with $12k in incentives, the residual would make eventual purchase attractive - but not mandatory. It would cost us more to buy the car now than to lease and then buy it.
I don't disagree in some situations, especially as I don't have enough fed. tax liability to get the full amount of the credit. I'm referring to the situation I'm in, where the car would be purely interim while I wait for something that fully meets my needs to come along, and it will definitely not be bought but will go back at the end of the lease. Especially as I normally keep cars to the end of their useful life, which in an ICE I expect to be at least 15 years.

If you figure all-in the initial RWD ID.4 lease will run $4k up front plus $400/month, that's $18.4k plus (higher) insurance costs over 3 years. The free EA charging is nice, but not enough to make a major dent in the other costs.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:11 am

Leasing is dumb from a financial standpoint,


Eliminating options w/o investigation is dumber. There is a reason why a LOT of people lease and it aint because they are dumb.
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