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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:15 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:58 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:15 am
what they are doing now makes no sense other than buttering their own. The real question is whether they will have enough bread for all that butter?[/b]
Once again, you are ignoring all other car makes. GM, Ford, BMW, even Nissan (Ariya) - they have all gone to CCS. It's not about buttering their own. I would wager that the number of CCS cars on US roads outnumber the CHAdeMO cars by a wide margin today, and that margin grows every month (the Bolt alone outsells the Leaf every quarter).
Yep. Add the Koreans to the CCS list. And Volvo. And Fiat. And ....

... well, it's easier to say yesterday's Nissan, and another dozen or so other cars.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 pm

True. Kia is another one that switched from CHAdeMO to CCS in the US. The old Soul EVs were CHAdeMO but their Niro EV is CCS.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:47 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 pm
True. Kia is another one that switched from CHAdeMO to CCS in the US. The old Soul EVs were CHAdeMO but their Niro EV is CCS.
Does CHAdeMO even support the new 800v architectures that the Koreans and others are starting to use?
I know EA is limited because of cable certifications.

Seems like asking, "Would you rather charge at 350 kW in the future, or 50?"

I'll take 350! I don't know if CHAdeMO will die tomorrow or in two decades, but I know my next EV will be CCS.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:00 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm
Astros wrote:
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As far as Chademo dying out, I'm pretty sure support and maintenance is built in to the Electrify America requirements, so it will at least last another 8 or so years.
The consent decree was signed in 2016/2017. IIRC the EA part runs 10 years. If VW builds a successful EV market in the USA then I can imagine them keeping EA; if not, EA may go up for sale circa 2026.
If Ford builds a successful EV business in the USA, they would want EA to remain free, as in freedom.
If GM builds a successful EV business in the USA, they would want EA to remain free, as in freedom.
If Nissan builds a successful EV business in the USA, they would want EA to remain free, as in freedom.

Closed proprietary standards are evil.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:38 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:47 pm

Does CHAdeMO even support the new 800v architectures that the Koreans and others are starting to use?
I know EA is limited because of cable certifications.
Yes CHAdeMO supports 1000V not just 800V so the standard supports 400KW charging. There are no such stations in north America. China may have it as they are codeveloping 900KW with Chaoji.

Speed is not the problem. Regardless of the reason in North America CHAdeMO is on the way out.

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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:28 pm

One of my Tesla owning coworkers had their roof glass crack in an automatic carwash (I assume not brushless?). He had a fight with the car wash operator and their insurance over it. That made me not like top glass as much, a pain in the butt piece of glass to potentially replace. The ID.4 looks nice but the roof glass is a bit of a turnoff for me personally.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 pm

The inability to get a Tesla Model 3 w/a metal roof (that got nixed) is one of numerous reasons why I ruled out that car in Jan 2019 when I was in the market. That + numerous other factors for a car that at the time was at least $12K more than my Bolt (w/heavy incentives and after tax credit back then) sealed the deal. Why would I pay over $12K more for such a car?

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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:49 am

Here is another excellent Bjorn Nyland test of the ID.4.
He is the only reviewer I know of who understands the importance of testing EVs in winter conditions. He called it 'spring' in Norway; I would call it mild winter. Outside was 5 - 10C, and the battery started out at 5C. He pre-conditioned the car before his test.

Of note:
  • 1. The pre-conditioning did not heat up the battery, so 2 kWh of battery power was spent heating up the battery from 5C to ~ 15C during the drive
  • After driving up a mountain, the car still cold-gated during charging at 62 kW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0aQDJJ2wc
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:07 am

Not really surprising in light of the overall semi-conductor chip shortage affecting all major auto mfg's it seems but the debut of the AWD version of the ID.4 has pushed its US release out to Oct to Dec of this year from over the summer. Whether its this or battery shortages or possibly on-going development who knows but its delayed.

I had the chance to do a brief test drive of the 1st edition RWD version and enjoyed it - its not especially quick like most Tesla's but sufficient for most types of driving to be quick enough (e.g. freeway ramps, merging, etc.). Interior is very quiet and handles rough roads well (this one had the bigger than standard wheels so that's a plus). Back seat and cargo area is a bit bigger than expected (similar to current VW Tiguan in overall size) and fit and finish was quite good. Only negative for me (despite assurances from VW rep who road along) would be all the white surface materials used for the steering wheel, column and gear selector -- its synthetic and will avoid stains but unlike seats you need to touch the steering wheel with your bare hands and could see it easily getting discolored or wearing out more easily than just black material. It will be available in black as well so easily avoided -- does stand out for sure when you get into it for the first time; brightens up the interior just like white/light colored seats.

I put an order in for an AWD version to replace my last ICE a VW Touareg as wanted to stay in the VW family with this EV replacement awhile back and VW reached out (2nd time -- they also offered a 1st edition when they upped its initial run) as the intro of the AWD was to be after this one - have looked at a few alternatives but haven't seen anything to peak enough interest that's out in the market just quite yet. Have driven a number of Model Y's and while quite popular - just not as fun to drive for me as my (2nd) Model 3. The Touareg EV replacement will need its utility and AWD so will keep looking for something to swap it out with by year end -- have checked out the Volvo XC40 but that one seems to have some teething pains and will wait and see on the Hyundai Ioniq 5; although smaller appears to have a decent cargo space - we'll see!

Thought this was worth sharing as AWD is what a lot of people in snow belt states will be waiting for; and yes, years ago before AWD we all dealt with snow tire swap outs and in practice my first M3 which was RWD was fine in all but the deepest snow w/o snow tires but why go w/RWD when AWD is available at a modest premium ($3,680) that will include a 2nd electric motor and heated windshield with it?
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 pm

redLEAF wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:07 am
why go w/RWD when AWD is available at a modest premium ($3,680) that will include a 2nd electric motor and heated windshield with it?
The only reason I can think of other than saving $3680 is for greater efficiency. Some dual motor EVs take more power than single mother.
Does it affect storage space at all? Some like the Ariya give up storage space for the dual motor. The ID.4 has a lot more space than the Ariya, which is a big deal.

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