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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:27 pm

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Maryland gets snow, but not like we do further north. I have never wanted chains even when driving mountain passes in Vermont during the winter. Snow tires are fine. But the Subaru drivers who think that their AWD will save them are the ones you have to look out for. It's scary, but I frequently see Subarus (and other AWD SUVs) sliding all over the roads in winter. AWD is NOT a substitute for snow tires!

Oh, absolutely. My first snow trip with my '88 Subie, I got a little overconfident through not hearing chain noise and let my speed had gradually crept up until I was doing 45 or so. Came to a curve, decided I was going a bit fast and just touched the brakes. Which is when I learned that 4WD doesn't improve braking traction, as one or more wheels locked up and I slid off the road, up the bank and over a small pine tree. It was still driveable, but it did about $1,400 damage to the car and more to my ego, although thankfully it was at night with no one around to see me make a fool of myself. Ever since, I've driven very carefully, and stick to chain speed limits, just as if I had them on.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:44 am

Sandy Munro did a road test of the ID.4. His result was "I wasn't happy at all" according to InsideEVs.

He starts the video saying he was late for some things and that tainted his opinion.

But frankly, the first 10 minutes is really a review of him not being the least familiar with using an infotainment system; apparently he didn't have the vaguest clue on how to select a destination on the nav screen. Of course, I didn't see any options in the screens they showed, either. And once you get used to using a Tesla, all other cars seem to be obscure to use.

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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:14 am

jlv wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:44 am
Sandy Munro did a road test of the ID.4. His result was "I wasn't happy at all" according to InsideEVs.

He starts the video saying he was late for some things and that tainted his opinion.

But frankly, the first 10 minutes is really a review of him not being the least familiar with using an infotainment system; apparently he didn't have the vaguest clue on how to select a destination on the nav screen. Of course, I didn't see any options in the screens they showed, either. And once you get used to using a Tesla, all other cars seem to be obscure to use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oC9sUiwyL8
I just did a test drive the other day and due to COVID, I was driving alone following a preset route on the NAV. I also feel I missed a lot of what the car had to offer. In looking at other reviews, it would seem that everyone was in the same boat. In retrospect, I should have brought along a few friends so I could observe them driving. Would have been a lot easier to notice things that way.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am

It does feel like the reviews are leaning toward MachE over ID4, unless you need a large trunk/boot area. Maybe with a few software updates, and a couple tweaks, the 2022 ID4 will become a best buy.

I feel like moving to a car with a slightly larger trunk and slightly better range (250) is just a small step forward from the S+. I am thinking any next EV we get will be an 800 volt architecture. Kia/Hyundai look to be potential strong contenders. The new Model S/Taycan/Lucid also are super cool...just out of my economic zone.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 am

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Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am
It does feel like the reviews are leaning toward MachE over ID4, unless you need a large trunk/boot area. Maybe with a few software updates, and a couple tweaks, the 2022 ID4 will become a best buy.

I feel like moving to a car with a slightly larger trunk and slightly better range (250) is just a small step forward from the S+. I am thinking any next EV we get will be an 800 volt architecture. Kia/Hyundai look to be potential strong contenders. The new Model S/Taycan/Lucid also are super cool...just out of my economic zone.
Isn't the Mach E more expensive than the ID 4? The ID 4 has a lot more space than the LEAF. Its more car than I would need. The Ariya is next up but all indications suggest it will the same size if not a bit smaller than the LEAF which I completely don't understand.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:04 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am
It does feel like the reviews are leaning toward MachE over ID4, unless you need a large trunk/boot area. Maybe with a few software updates, and a couple tweaks, the 2022 ID4 will become a best buy.

I feel like moving to a car with a slightly larger trunk and slightly better range (250) is just a small step forward from the S+. I am thinking any next EV we get will be an 800 volt architecture. Kia/Hyundai look to be potential strong contenders. The new Model S/Taycan/Lucid also are super cool...just out of my economic zone.
Isn't the Mach E more expensive than the ID 4? The ID 4 has a lot more space than the LEAF. Its more car than I would need. The Ariya is next up but all indications suggest it will the same size if not a bit smaller than the LEAF which I completely don't understand.
A) The Mach E is 7% more expensive than a VW ID.4.

B) Mach E is slightly roomier inside, and has more cargo volume, with a frunk too (no handy frunk on an ID.4).

C) ID.4 has 8% more passenger volume as a Leaf

D) Ariya will be roomier inside than a Leaf. The exterior dimensions, width, length & height, are almost identical to a Toyota RAV4 after all.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:36 pm

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And once you get used to using a Tesla, all other cars seem to be obscure to use.
So true
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:19 pm

So bourgeoisie. :)

Tesla tech is amazing..really amazing, but the comfort isn't, especially in the back seats. I haven't sat in the back of a 3, but found S and X to be horribly uncomfortable (except for the driver seat). A few years ago we put the 3 kids in the back of an S and X). Universal thumbs down for both cars. As an adult, sitting in the back of my boss's X, was one of the most uncomfortable rides in an SUV I can remember. (I am about 6'2" and 220ish lbs) might be better for a 5'2" passenger.

MachE was very comfortable in front and back though. Kudos to them.

Good news is that we have many many choices now and dozens more to come.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:42 pm

voltamps wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:04 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am
It does feel like the reviews are leaning toward MachE over ID4, unless you need a large trunk/boot area. Maybe with a few software updates, and a couple tweaks, the 2022 ID4 will become a best buy.

I feel like moving to a car with a slightly larger trunk and slightly better range (250) is just a small step forward from the S+. I am thinking any next EV we get will be an 800 volt architecture. Kia/Hyundai look to be potential strong contenders. The new Model S/Taycan/Lucid also are super cool...just out of my economic zone.
Isn't the Mach E more expensive than the ID 4? The ID 4 has a lot more space than the LEAF. Its more car than I would need. The Ariya is next up but all indications suggest it will the same size if not a bit smaller than the LEAF which I completely don't understand.
A) The Mach E is 7% more expensive than a VW ID.4.

B) Mach E is slightly roomier inside, and has more cargo volume, with a frunk too (no handy frunk on an ID.4).

C) ID.4 has 8% more passenger volume as a Leaf

D) Ariya will be roomier inside than a Leaf. The exterior dimensions, width, length & height, are almost identical to a Toyota RAV4 after all.
Your comments matches my impression or maybe I should say expectations of the Ariya but random blurbs from Japan are quoting miniscule dimensions for cargo. Either way, I am thinking Ariya is the next look. If I pass on that, I will keep what I have until the VW Bus or something similar comes out.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:14 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:19 pm
So bourgeoisie. :)

Tesla tech is amazing..really amazing, but the comfort isn't, especially in the back seats. I haven't sat in the back of a 3, but found S and X to be horribly uncomfortable (except for the driver seat). A few years ago we put the 3 kids in the back of an S and X). Universal thumbs down for both cars. As an adult, sitting in the back of my boss's X, was one of the most uncomfortable rides in an SUV I can remember. (I am about 6'2" and 220ish lbs) might be better for a 5'2" passenger.

MachE was very comfortable in front and back though. Kudos to them.

Good news is that we have many many choices now and dozens more to come.
That is an interesting observation on the back seats of the X Doug. We are waiting to see and test drive a refresh x in June (ish). The back seat for us is mostly chihuahua territory but we’ll be sure and check it out.

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