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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:57 am

Some updates on early range testing.

To me this just underscores how wonky the whole range testing thing is.
We all have different needs, but even the "highway" range the EPA test cycle runs is BS.
I saw it on a YouTube video the other day - can't remember which one, might have been Out of Spec?
But they went over the EPA test and even the highway test only has an AVG speed of around 50 mph plus stops.
A real highway test would be 70 mph, no stops, continuously until the EV gives up going forward.

This is why I take the EPA range and multiply it by 66% to find a "real world" range.
In regards to city driving, almost ANY EV now has enough for city, so I don't even worry about that.
My 2018 leaf had an EPA combined range of 150 miles, the real world range by my math is more like 100 miles.
Since I don't want to go down to zero % that actually works out pretty well. My dealer is 90 miles away and It takes my about 90% or more of the battery to get there. For napkin math, that 66% rule works well enough.

Anyway, if I was in change of the EPA an EV would have a sticker with two numbers: A 70 mph highway range and a standard cycle combined range.


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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:46 pm

IEVS:
Ford Mustang Mach-E: Range And Price Compared To Other BEVs
https://insideevs.com/news/456138/ford- ... ared-bevs/

Since the EPA range numbers for the Ford Mustang Mach-E are in (besides the GT version), we can take a look at how it stands against BEVs currently available on the market.

First of all, the Ford Mustang Mach-E range ratings are pretty solid - from 211 miles (339 km) to 300 miles (483 km). The top two 270- and 300-mile results are actually the best for non-Tesla EVs. It's the first 300-mile result (on the market) from a manufacturer other than Tesla.

The only downfall is that Ford uses bigger battery packs, but let's give them time to improve the efficiency over time, and by the way, we don't know whether it's an efficiency problem or just a big battery buffer to start conservatively.

Here is how it looks on the chart. Additionally, we included also the Volkswagen ID.4 RWD (expected 250 miles/402 km EPA), although it's delayed to Q1 2021. . . .

Even more interesting is the comparison of prices, as the Ford Mustang Mach-E (SR AWD) turns out to be the most affordable all-wheel-drive all-electric car (MSRP + DST, deducting federal tax credit).

Moreover, the Ford Mustang Mach-E is the most affordable model with a range of 300 miles: effectively from $45,600. . . .

We'll have to see where the ID.4 comes in for EPA.
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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:31 pm

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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:40 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:57 am
To me this just underscores how wonky the whole range testing thing is.
We all have different needs, but even the "highway" range the EPA test cycle runs is BS.
I saw it on a YouTube video the other day - can't remember which one, might have been Out of Spec?
But they went over the EPA test and even the highway test only has an AVG speed of around 50 mph plus stops.
A real highway test would be 70 mph, no stops, continuously until the EV gives up going forward.

This is why I take the EPA range and multiply it by 66% to find a "real world" range.
It is not even 50 mph average. Per https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml under Test Details, the highest average speed of any of the test cycles is 48.4 mph. However, the high speed test does reach 80 mph. You can look more at https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml and https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/pdfs/EP ... 4-2017.pdf.

You can read more about the EPA tests written over a year before Leaf shipped at https://web.archive.org/web/20100111052 ... es-feature. I'd originally posted them at https://priuschat.com/threads/car-and-d ... tes.67235/.

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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:28 pm

I like the chart if nothing else. I also see a lot of YouTube reviewers focusing on miles per dollar, a metric of value, but I have an issue with that.
A EV that cost less per $ of range is great, but if the range is too small for me, deal breaker, and if the cost overall is to high for me, I'm just jealous. But can't afford it. Such as Rivian.

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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:40 pm

Leaf /Plus is still a value leader when you toss in the additional 6k+ markdown off of MSRP.

I think for Leaf to stay in the realm of consideration, they are going to need to raise range to 250 miles and make a few cosmetic changes (center console, rear hump height, rear vents, memory on drivers seat).

They should also reduce msrp 5k.

All that said, Leaf was top seller today in Norway, edging out model 3 by unit.

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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:40 pm

I think for Leaf to stay in the realm of consideration, they are going to need to raise range to 250 miles and make a few cosmetic changes (center console, rear hump height, rear vents, memory on drivers seat).
I think that the 220/150 mile range options will suffice to keep the car viable, especially in conjunction with the above minor improvements. It just isn't going to attract many younger people and/or those who drive a lot of miles.
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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:19 pm

IEVS:
Ford Mustang Mach-E: Official EPA Numbers For Four Versions Revealed
https://insideevs.com/news/460270/ford- ... a-numbers/


Previously released numbers confirmed, all official EPA ranges voluntarily reduced by 3-6 miles. Both city and hwy ranges and efficiencies are given.
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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:08 pm

Guilty as slowly charged: Electrify America site lazily energizes a Ford Mustang Mach-E.

I am unclear on whether or not this slow charging was due to limits in the Mach-E or something to do with all the EA chargers at that location being slow for some reason. If the former, the car apparently needs some work. If the latter, the EA network needs work.
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Re: Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:28 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:08 pm
Guilty as slowly charged: Electrify America site lazily energizes a Ford Mustang Mach-E.

I am unclear on whether or not this slow charging was due to limits in the Mach-E or something to do with all the EA chargers at that location being slow for some reason. If the former, the car apparently needs some work. If the latter, the EA network needs work.
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