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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:31 am

I should write a Tips & Tricks for Tesla drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:56 am

OrientExpress wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:28 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:58 am
You hear what you want to hear.
I was only saying that your statements are are at best distorted spin and FUD.

As usual
My goodness! I'm sorry that this sort of stuff is so difficult for you.

https://insideevs.com/reviews/450140/to ... est-drive/
Thank you, some actual Rav4 PHEV information in after all this official RAV4 thread :)
Some people get so caught up in the whole EV vs PHEV, which should really be a separate thread it just plugs up a thread like this where people would come to look for RAV4 PHEV info.
I quoted this and will counter it with what I've been told in a non CAFE state.
The RAV4’s popularity has caught quite a few off guard, including Toyota. Combine this with the Covid-19 constraints, and this Japanese manufactured RAV4 is selling as quickly as they are being made, and in some cases, dealers are taking advantage of the scarcity to add quite a bit of dealer markup. We reached out Toyota representative on when supply may catch up with demand and they responded that “Our intent is to increase volume in CY21 as much as possible for us, conditional on the market situation at the time.”
Again in my state my local dealer told me to expect to wait 2-3 years just for the opportunity to be able to plunk down $40k to get a Rav4 Prime :( I'm happy I won't have to pay over sticker(I wouldn't just on principle) but the rest of the US apparently won't be able to see this vehicle for years to come....
I'm not against Toyota selling first to CAFE states, unfortunately MN isn't one and I really doubt it will ever be, well at least for a very long time. I just like Toyota is making this vehicle available in backward states like mine, Honda and other companies don't always do this and restrict their EV type vehicles to CAFE only states.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am

To follow-up with the Tesla new owners thread on FB, here are some of the comments from the seasoned Tesla owners.

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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:16 am

Are those for SR+ or LR model 3s?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:23 am

I don't think its just Tesla who suffers from highway / freeway range reduction. My rule of thumb to figure out MY highway (high speed) range is to take EPA and multiply it by 2/3. For my 2018 leaf the best I can tell it has a real world highway range of around 110 miles, though I've never quite run it to empty, and have no plans to. But the 2/3 rule seems to work when I test routes with ABRP for my Leaf and other EVs.

Actually, maybe that's one advantage to the Hummer (and others) for off roading. I would think EVs will do quite well off roading because you might actually get good range, or range close to EPA, since you are not doing 70 or 80 or 90 mph. A 350 miles EV for off roading might be plenty, if you can get past the price tag of 120 thousand dollars! LOL

But for travel on highways it is an issue, FOR SOME of us.

Back to the rav4 prime, I actually considered trading in my wife's outback for a Rav4 prime, allowing us to have the best of both worlds - use my solar to fuel her up when in town and still have the ICE with good mpg for road trips, since my Leaf can't do road trips. BUT the problem was quite simple. Not enough ravv4 primes around - maybe one per dealer - and some dealers asking 10k over msrp. That's insane. I'm not paying 50k for a rav4 unless is craps gold bars.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:53 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:16 am
Are those for SR+ or LR model 3s?
These conversations are from the Model Y forums, but there are Model S and 3 owners chiming in too. The person who stated the thread said that his EPA range was 312 miles, so which Model Y is that?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:31 am
I should write a Tips & Tricks for EV drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
FTFY.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:31 am
I should write a Tips & Tricks for Tesla drivers. #1 would be to inform them that slowing down beats sitting around stopped and charging.
I played around with this question a couple of years ago for fun. It is easiest to solve with calculus as a maxima exercise, and it obviously depends on the charging power. In general the charging power past ~ 70 or 80% SoC is too low to offset high speed driving.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:49 am

Another part of the calculitic equation that is interesting is that, apparently, an electric car can accelerate to speed as fast as it wants to without efficiency penalty, unlike an ICE car whose gas motor is not operating as efficiently during the jackrabbit starts.... So, accelerating and slowing down rapidly are not factors in overall mileage.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:17 pm

dmacarthur wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:49 am
Another part of the calculitic equation that is interesting is that, apparently, an electric car can accelerate to speed as fast as it wants to without efficiency penalty, unlike an ICE car whose gas motor is not operating as efficiently during the jackrabbit starts.... So, accelerating and slowing down rapidly are not factors in overall mileage.
I think that this is overstated, because I'd bet dollars to donuts that waste heat production increases with high acceleration, as the controller at least (and maybe the motor and cabling, depending on the EV) works outside of its most efficient parameters. It is probably true that there is no measurable penalty for accelerating somewhat briskly as opposed to slowly.
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