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Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:23 am
by DaveinOlyWA
https://www.teslarati.com/jeff-bezos-10 ... zon-order/

It remains to be seen how much this order is worth but 10 Billion is hardly out of the question when charging facilities are added.

Realize Amazon is only doing what delivery companies will be forced to do. Don't be surprised to see major urban areas creating emission charges in the very near future.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:47 pm
by iPlug
Good to have more competition in this sphere, but even if these optimistic expectations pan out, its going to be a long time before we see 100k of these and the playing field will look a lot different by then:

Amazon plans to have 10,000 of the new electric vehicles on the road as early as 2022 and all 100,000 vehicles on the road by 2030

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
iPlug wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:47 pm
Good to have more competition in this sphere, but even if these optimistic expectations pan out, its going to be a long time before we see 100k of these and the playing field will look a lot different by then:

Amazon plans to have 10,000 of the new electric vehicles on the road as early as 2022 and all 100,000 vehicles on the road by 2030
Amazon's goal is actually much more ambitious than that. Don't be surprised to see Rivian become "Amazon EV's"

This is what Amazon does. They are smart enough to know they don't know everything. Instead, they invest in a startup, study its processes and either buys them or creates their own business in direct competition with them. This is the process that gained Amazon nearly everything they have now.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:25 pm
by danrjones
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
iPlug wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:47 pm
Good to have more competition in this sphere, but even if these optimistic expectations pan out, its going to be a long time before we see 100k of these and the playing field will look a lot different by then:

Amazon plans to have 10,000 of the new electric vehicles on the road as early as 2022 and all 100,000 vehicles on the road by 2030
Amazon's goal is actually much more ambitious than that. Don't be surprised to see Rivian become "Amazon EV's"

This is what Amazon does. They are smart enough to know they don't know everything. Instead, they invest in a startup, study its processes and either buys them or creates their own business in direct competition with them. This is the process that gained Amazon nearly everything they have now.
So I'll be able to order my R1S straight from amazon. Think I'll get free 2 day shipping as a prime member?

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:07 pm
by SageBrush
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
This is what Amazon does. They are smart enough to know they don't know everything. Instead, they invest in a startup, study its processes and either buys them or creates their own business in direct competition with them. This is the process that gained Amazon nearly everything they have now.
Amazon has already invested 700 million USD in Rivian. The OP title might as well be "Amazon decides to buy own trucks."

Not exactly surprising. I wish them tremendous success, and I hope they fuel the trucks with clean energy.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:07 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
This is what Amazon does. They are smart enough to know they don't know everything. Instead, they invest in a startup, study its processes and either buys them or creates their own business in direct competition with them. This is the process that gained Amazon nearly everything they have now.
Amazon has already invested 700 million USD in Rivian. The OP title might as well be "Amazon decides to buy own trucks."

Not exactly surprising. I wish them tremendous success, and I hope they fuel the trucks with clean energy.
It would not be a stretch to think that Amazon may become the largest private owner of Solar and Wind in the future. They are well on their way.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:44 pm
by SageBrush
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:07 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
This is what Amazon does. They are smart enough to know they don't know everything. Instead, they invest in a startup, study its processes and either buys them or creates their own business in direct competition with them. This is the process that gained Amazon nearly everything they have now.
Amazon has already invested 700 million USD in Rivian. The OP title might as well be "Amazon decides to buy own trucks."

Not exactly surprising. I wish them tremendous success, and I hope they fuel the trucks with clean energy.
It would not be a stretch to think that Amazon may become the largest private owner of Solar and Wind in the future. They are well on their way.
Amazon has plans to be 40% clean energy by 2024 and 100% clean by 2030. That is *exactly* the timetable that every person, business, corporation, state and nation on the Earth should be concretely planning for.

Amazon deserves credit and support for walking the talk and being a true leader. I had intended to drop my Prime membership with Amazon this year but their climate pledges have convinced me to continue with them.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:52 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:44 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:07 pm

Amazon has already invested 700 million USD in Rivian. The OP title might as well be "Amazon decides to buy own trucks."

Not exactly surprising. I wish them tremendous success, and I hope they fuel the trucks with clean energy.
It would not be a stretch to think that Amazon may become the largest private owner of Solar and Wind in the future. They are well on their way.
Amazon has plans to be 40% clean energy by 2024 and 100% clean by 2030. That is *exactly* the timetable that every person, business, corporation, state and nation on the Earth should be concretely planning for.

Amazon deserves credit and support for walking the talk and being a true leader. I had intended to drop my Prime membership with Amazon this year but their climate pledges have convinced me to continue with them.
Its actually 80% by 2024 and they are ahead of schedule.

https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/ ... lity092019

From July;

"And earlier today, the Solar Energy Industries Association’s (SEIA) 2018 Solar Means Business Report ranked Amazon #1 in the U.S. for amount of corporate on-site solar installed in 2018, and #2 for total amount of solar installed to date. And in just the last three-years alone, Amazon has installed more solar capacity in the U.S. than any corporation. In total, Amazon’s solar projects in the U.S. have offset the CO2 equivalent of more than 200 million miles of truck deliveries.

In addition to solar, we continue to invest in renewable energy projects around the globe. In total, Amazon has 61 operating solar and wind projects that are expected to generate over 1,044 MW and deliver over 3.1 million MWh of energy annually. We are putting our scale and inventive culture to work on sustainability not only because it is good for the environment, but also for the customer. It’s a win-win for the environment and our customers."

the 40% target you mentioned is supposed to be achieved within the next month.

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:37 pm
by SageBrush
You are correct is stating 80% renewable by 2024. I think this only relates to electricity. A fantastic goal nonetheless, and even more so when they convert their land transport to EV. Reading between the lines of their pledge, I'd say that they do not have a solution for air transport so they push that out to 2040 and mumble about "carbon neutrality."

More than fair enough for the next 5 years. Go Amazon !

Re: Amazon 100,000 vehicle order from Rivian

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:13 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:37 pm
You are correct is stating 80% renewable by 2024. I think this only relates to electricity. A fantastic goal nonetheless, and even more so when they convert their land transport to EV. Reading between the lines of their pledge, I'd say that they do not have a solution for air transport so they push that out to 2040 and mumble about "carbon neutrality."

More than fair enough for the next 5 years. Go Amazon !
Actually, they are off setting all direct and indirect emissions. The list is quite comprehensive.
To calculate Amazon’s carbon footprint, we account for a diverse set of direct and indirect emissions that occur both
upstream and downstream of our operations. We set a comprehensive system boundary that includes the following
emissions sources:

Amazon’s last-mile delivery fleet

Amazon-operated freight, including trucks and airplanes

Purchased delivery services (e.g., postal services) and other contracted freight

Electricity used in our fulfillment centers, data centers, physical stores, and other facilities

Amazon packaging

Amazon product manufacturing, such as Echo devices, Kindles e-readers, AmazonBasics, Whole Foods Market
brands, and other Amazon Private Brands products

Our customers’ use of Amazon devices

Capital goods, such as emissions from building construction, manufacturing of servers and equipment, and the
production of other Amazon infrastructure

Corporate operating expenses, such as business travel, office supplies, corporate events, outside consulting
services, and other expenditures

Customers’ trips to Amazon’s physical stores (e.g., Whole Foods Market)

Refrigerants used for cooling in our data centers, corporate offices, grocery stores, and fulfillment centers

Purchased delivery services (e.g., postal services) and other contracted freight
2018 emissions were 44.40 million metric tons with the largest category of 3rd party transportation at 13.89 mmt's Indirect sources account for 34.71 mmt's

To say I was impressed when I read this is understating my reaction. If they missed anything, I don't see it.