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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:52 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover... forget about building cars nobody wants, pretty much nobody wants cars period.
I would have argued the same with the Leaf, particularly with the 2018 model, since the trend away from sedans and hatchbacks towards SUV/CUV would have been clear by the time the car was in its design stages.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:32 pm

RonDawg wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover... forget about building cars nobody wants, pretty much nobody wants cars period.
I would have argued the same with the Leaf, particularly with the 2018 model, since the trend away from sedans and hatchbacks towards SUV/CUV would have been clear by the time the car was in its design stages.
The goal with the Leaf "2" was to re-use as much of the car - including body parts - as possible, while still claiming it was "new." They wanted price point over any improvements other than range and power. They should be building prototypes for that electric CUV right about now, in typical Nissan "timeliness."
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:31 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
RonDawg wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover... forget about building cars nobody wants, pretty much nobody wants cars period.
I would have argued the same with the Leaf, particularly with the 2018 model, since the trend away from sedans and hatchbacks towards SUV/CUV would have been clear by the time the car was in its design stages.
The goal with the Leaf "2" was to re-use as much of the car - including body parts - as possible, while still claiming it was "new." They wanted price point over any improvements other than range and power. They should be building prototypes for that electric CUV right about now, in typical Nissan "timeliness."
They could have done this without too much of a redesign. Many of the smaller CUVs are already based on small car platforms; for example, the Honda HR-V is based on the Fit. And if they're going to re-skin the car as Nissan did, they could have done with GM did to the Spark:

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(Semi)CUV styling, minimal engineering changes. And if that's not "butch" enough for you, witness the Subaru CrossTrek, which is little more than an Impreza hatchback with a jacked up suspension and body cladding:

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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Except that Nissan didn't "Re-skin the car." The entire midsection is virtually the same on the outside and largely the same inside, dash excepted. I wonder if the doors are interchangeable with the Gen I...
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:47 am

They did re-skin the existing car. The door frames are the exact same size but there are creases on the 2018 that aren’t there in the earlier models. Interior door cards look like they will fit on the older cars. Front clip and rear hatch/tail lamp are about the biggest changes.

My point is that for the effort Nissan put into trying to make the car look less weird, they should have put into taking advantage of the trend towards CUVs, for which consumers are willing to open their wallets.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:12 am

I understand your point, but how would you like a Leaf CUV that cost $5k more and had the same crappy air cooled 40kwh pack and no AWD option? They should have done both.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:17 am

LeftieBiker wrote:I understand your point, but how would you like a Leaf CUV that cost $5k more and had the same crappy air cooled 40kwh pack and no AWD option? They should have done both.
By having more CUV-like styling, buyers might be more willing to pay the prices that Nissan is currently asking. As far as lack of AWD, there are some small CUVs currently on the market where AWD is not even an option, like the Nissan Kicks or the Toyota C-HR.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:09 am

Yes, and I'd never buy or lease one of those "urban CUVs."
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:44 pm

Drumroll - IEVS:
Chevy Volt Production Has Officially Come To An End
https://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-produc ... ally-ends/
. . . The plug-in hybrid that helped kick-start the electric vehicle revolution will no longer roll from the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant. The cessation seems to be a bit earlier than expected. When contacted after news of model’s upcoming demise first broke, the automaker had said production would stop in March of this year. . . .
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Yes, and I'd never buy or lease one of those "urban CUVs."
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