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GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:25 am

Looks like 2019 will be the last model year.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... on-in-2019
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:46 pm

Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover... forget about building cars nobody wants, pretty much nobody wants cars period.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:53 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover... forget about building cars nobody wants, pretty much nobody wants cars period.
+1
I really liked the idea of the Volt(and if it had met my needs I'd probably have owned one instead of my Leafs) just couldn't stand it's cramped space :( The Bolt isn't much better and cramped space is the main reason I don't own one of those either :(
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:08 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Great idea but the wrong form factor. Would have done well as a compact crossover...
GM has talked about it and thrown out strong hints laced with plausible deniability -- you know, GM crapola.

So GM certainly considered it
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:17 pm

If I was a single man and a 1-car household I probably would have gotten a Volt since it is the only PHEV that'll make my daily commute all electric. I thought they were nice looking, responsive, handled well, and had a nice infotainment system. That said, the back seat was not suited for anyone over 5'6" and calling it a 5-seater was a joke so I can see why it wasn't a huge seller for them especially with $2.50 gas the last few years... I agree that an equinox PHEV probably would have done better.

Either way it is a shame to see it go IMO, the car was definitely ahead of its time in a lot of ways.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:25 pm

I've told this before, but this may be the last time: the original Volt show car was a Camaro show car with a golf cart drive train. It was never meant to be produced, and the few times it was driven for journalists it either broke down or was, well, as slow as a golf cart. The GM reps even asked a PBS team if they could "speed up the film" from a demonstration vid. But the interest in the car was so strong that GM was almost literally forced to produce the Volt. Since there was no real car there, just a vague concept and a body already intended for another car, they had to start from scratch. The really amazing thing was - and continues to be - that they succeeded, and built a very good PHEV.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The really amazing thing was - and continues to be - that they succeeded, and built a very good PHEV.
Bah. It took them 10 years to copy the Prius
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:01 pm

SageBrush wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:The really amazing thing was - and continues to be - that they succeeded, and built a very good PHEV.
Bah. It took them 10 years to copy the Prius
I thought the Volt was a completely different system that ran on the electric motor full time, and the gas engine was just a generator that charged the battery. I don't know. Is it really just a Prius copy? :?
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:07 pm

The power split devices that serve in place of a transmission in both are similar, but the Volt is more a serial hybrid and the Prius more a parallel. So no, the Volt isn't a copy of the Prius. It would be more accurate to say that they tried to build a PHEV that did what the Prius didn't: provide a large electric range, with electric heat and plenty of horsepower. If they hadn't locked themselves into a body that was squashed down because the Camaro/Volt showcar was squashed down, they could indeed have built a real winner.
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Re: GM to kill the Volt

Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:01 pm

The Volt is NOT a serial hybrid and the Prius is NOT a parallel hybrid. Both cars route battery and/or ICE power through a power split device implemented via a planetary gear set. GM certainly jawed about a serial hybrid but it was never built. GM made 3 changes to the Prius design:

1. A larger motor
2. A swap of the PSD inputs
3. A clutch was added to bypass the PSD in ICE only mode. This was an infrequently used mode meant to simulate a long gear during highway driving and to compensate for the poor efficiency of the ICE.
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