http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p528133GRA wrote:Do you have any statistical data that supports your claim of a "very high fatality rate" for Teslas?...edatoakrun wrote:The very high fatality rate that seems to be emerging for Teslas is going to get its own thread soon. <snip>
The main problem limiting analysis is there don't seem to be any high-integrity sources for comparing Tesla vehicle fatality rates to other cars with similar characteristics, basically both huge and expensive, that you can simply refer to...yet.
But the first thing to note is how very rare driver fatalities are for the large luxury cars and large luxury SUVs cars sold by TSLA's competitors in the USA, which are available up to MY 2014, and deaths through 2015, by selecting the options below:
As far as I know, as of today (and with no figures produced by TSLA itself) you have to rely on TSLA critics (who tend to use language almost as innacurately as TSLA does) for similar compilations of reported TSLA vehicle deaths:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05- ... -deadliestAre Tesla's Self-Proclaimed 'World's Safest Cars' Actually Among The World’s Deadliest?
If there’s one thing that Elon Musk likes more than pseudoprofundity, it’s superlatives. Small wonder, then, that the company that brought us the Gigafactory, Superchargers, and Ludicrous Mode has had an easy time convincing its fan base that Tesla makes the “safest car on the road”:
Lurkers on Tesla forums can confirm that these safety superlatives are articles of faith among Tesla’s flock.
@ElonBachman’s list has grown to include 40 Tesla fatalities globally, including 14 U.S. deaths of Tesla drivers and occupants and a Wile E. Coyote-esque smattering of deaths-by-cliff and deaths-by-swimming-pool. A link to that list, and the sources behind it, is included below the following table:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lkQJjG ... TyCj8/view
Comparing the number of reported USA driver fatalities from that chart, with the numbers and rates for miles driven from the IIHS, certainly seems to lead to the conclusion that the big Teslas are likely to be having more of their drivers killed on the road in the USA than their competitors, but if any one wants to try show why I'm wrong (statistical significance?) feel free to make your points.
Try to keep it on topic...
A recent CT article give a good summary of broader safety issues:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classifie ... story.htmlTrue or false? Tesla's bold safety claims come under scrutiny after fire, Autopilot crash
The latest test for Tesla is to determine true or false when it comes to the electric vehicle automaker's safety record. For years, Tesla has boasted that its cars and SUVs are safer than other vehicles on the roads, and CEO Elon Musk doubled down on the claims in a series of tweets this week.
The electric vehicles are under intense scrutiny from federal investigators, who have been looking into post-crash battery fires and the performance of Tesla's Autopilot semi-autonomous driving system. On Wednesday, they traveled to Utah to open another inquiry into a Tesla crash — their fourth this year — in which a Model S slammed into a firetruck that was stopped at a red light.
A look at the tweets and Tesla's past claims about the safety of its vehicles and Autopilot:
MUSK (from his tweets Monday): "According to (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), there was an automotive fatality every 86M miles in 2017 ((tilde)40,000 deaths). Tesla was every 320M miles. It's not possible to be zero, but probability of fatality is much lower in a Tesla."..
THE FACTS: This is based on a Tesla analysis of U.S. fatal crashes per miles traveled in 2017. The company's math is correct on the fatality rate involving all of the nation's 272 million vehicles, about 150,000 of which are Teslas, according to sales estimates from Ward's Automotive. But Tesla won't say how many fatalities occurred in its vehicles or how many miles they were driven.
Statistically, experts say Musk's tweet analysis isn't valid...