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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:05 pm

I don’t think this thread is being very honest in comparing these two cars.

The Model 3 has an MSRP of $35,000. I got my white SV Leaf with everything but the ProPilot stuff for ¥3,554,334 (roughly $33,000). That’s taxes and delivery included. If I were to buy a white Model 3 in my hometown of Denver with no other options it would be 35,000 plus 1,000 for paint, 1,200 for delivery, and roughly 2,500 in taxes for a grand total of $39,700. That’s a pretty big difference.

The Leaf seems to be having delivery issues for some in The States as well, so I won’t make too much of this point, but I think it’s fair to say a Leaf is easier to get in your hands. The Tesla website says 12-18 months estimated delivery on vehicles ordered today.

All of that said... I would absolutely get a Model 3 if it were available and I had that extra bit of cash. In fact, I’m probably going to get a Tesla if they’re still top dog in electrics when I get rid of my Leaf.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:59 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote:I don’t think this thread is being very honest in comparing these two cars.

The Model 3 has an MSRP of $35,000. I got my white SV Leaf with everything but the ProPilot stuff for ¥3,554,334 (roughly $33,000). That’s taxes and delivery included. If I were to buy a white Model 3 in my hometown of Denver with no other options it would be 35,000 plus 1,000 for paint, 1,200 for delivery, and roughly 2,500 in taxes for a grand total of $39,700. That’s a pretty big difference.

The Leaf seems to be having delivery issues for some in The States as well, so I won’t make too much of this point, but I think it’s fair to say a Leaf is easier to get in your hands. The Tesla website says 12-18 months estimated delivery on vehicles ordered today.

All of that said... I would absolutely get a Model 3 if it were available and I had that extra bit of cash. In fact, I’m probably going to get a Tesla if they’re still top dog in electrics when I get rid of my Leaf.
You are comparing a purchase in Japan to a purchase in Colorado ?

Right.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:25 pm

SageBrush wrote:
You are comparing a purchase in Japan to a purchase in Colorado ?

Right.
Is that an unfair comparison?

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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:15 am

I find it quite amazing and not a little hilarious that people look at the table, read that the Model 3 is priced in between the SL and SV yet with obvious advantages, and conclude that unlike the NIssan, the Tesla is a "luxury car" outside of their price class.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:50 am

SageBrush wrote:I find it quite amazing and not a little hilarious that people look at the table, read that the Model 3 is priced in between the SL and SV yet with obvious advantages, and conclude that unlike the NIssan, the Tesla is a "luxury car" outside of their price class.
Difference is that the MSRP for the SL is likely thousands more than you would actually pay.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:55 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:I find it quite amazing and not a little hilarious that people look at the table, read that the Model 3 is priced in between the SL and SV yet with obvious advantages, and conclude that unlike the NIssan, the Tesla is a "luxury car" outside of their price class.
Difference is that the MSRP for the SL is likely thousands more than you would actually pay.
Eventually, I agree.
Not now. Just look at the lease offers.

And if/when this theoretical price gap develops, people can decide for themselves how large it has to be to bridge the value gap. I say $15k.
Which I think really gets to the crux of what is going on here: the LEAF fans want an EV and are stuck on the lease train. They are willing to pay $300-$400 a month for the rest of their lives and rationalize their EV choice. Tesla wannabees like me are going to spend some $40k and expect 15 years of full and unrestricted use from the car.

The lease approach is obviously more expensive, but it becomes close to outrageous when a full TCO analysis is considered that includes a second car to make up for the LEAF shortcomings in range and charging infrastructure as well as the higher insurance costs that come with leasing.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:09 pm

SageBrush wrote:Not now. Just look at the lease offers.
Agree. Not yet.

SageBrush wrote:Which I think really gets to the crux of what is going on here: the LEAF fans want an EV and are stuck on the lease train.
I own my Leaf. As I bought a loaded 2014 Leaf SL for $30k before tax incentives, the discounts are not theoretical. And I could have bought the car for rather less, if I waited.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:20 pm

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:I find it quite amazing and not a little hilarious that people look at the table, read that the Model 3 is priced in between the SL and SV yet with obvious advantages, and conclude that unlike the NIssan, the Tesla is a "luxury car" outside of their price class.
Difference is that the MSRP for the SL is likely thousands more than you would actually pay.
Eventually, I agree.
Not now. Just look at the lease offers.

And if/when this theoretical price gap develops, people can decide for themselves how large it has to be to bridge the value gap. I say $15k.
Which I think really gets to the crux of what is going on here: the LEAF fans want an EV and are stuck on the lease train. They are willing to pay $300-$400 a month for the rest of their lives and rationalize their EV choice. Tesla wannabees like me are going to spend some $40k and expect 15 years of full and unrestricted use from the car.

The lease approach is obviously more expensive, but it becomes close to outrageous when a full TCO analysis is considered that includes a second car to make up for the LEAF shortcomings in range and charging infrastructure as well as the higher insurance costs that come with leasing.
Leases are not always the most expensive way to go. In my case, it saved me thousands. :)
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:33 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Leases are not always the most expensive way to go. In my case, it saved me thousands. :)
The absolute cheapest deal I've seen was a lease.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:39 pm

There's not much point in arguing with a Know It All.
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