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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:29 am
by DaveinOlyWA
WetEV wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:59 am
AAA national average is $2.196 per gallon. And falling fast. You can just hear the oil well drillers stop. Expect a rapid rise in a year or three, at most.
Oil Futures hit $20 a barrel. Lowest level since the mid 90's

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:44 am
by frontrangeleaf
We’re sure not driving much. I’ve put both our conventional cars in storage mode, on battery tenders. (Our son drives the GTI.)

We only drive the Leaf now.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:43 pm
by GRA
WetEV wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:31 pm
GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm
Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
Only if you do lots of road trips. Total cost is that matters, and home charging is cheaper than gas... Even if crude oil was free. Costs money to transport, refine and retail the stuff.

99% of trips are under 70 miles. Some people drive across the USA multiple times. Some people hardly get out of a small state. Most people do most of their driving locally.

You seem to be different. You have very few car trips under 70 miles. Most of your car trips are road trips. So you are at the end of the distribution that will be the last to use EVs.

EA isn't building urban QC sites (2/1/1) to serve people taking road trips, they're for people who can't charge at home and work.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:13 am
by Renato
I’m actually looking to upgrade to a Kona EV from my 2015 Leaf (I once read that the Leaf is a gateway drug to EVs and it’s true!)

My question is that I only see dealers in my area with 2019 models and most of them are at list or maybe $1000 off. The 2020 have a battery heater which would be useful for me and would like to use that as a negotiating tactic to get a deal on a 2019 since it is technically a year old car. Is there any reason that dealers are standing firm on pricing?

Thanks for and and all replies!

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:02 am
by DougWantsALeaf
What area of the country are you in?

Niro EV's are still pretty hot commodities, not sure you will be able to find large discounts from MSRP.

Anyone heard any news on the Niro EV coming to the midwest?

And an odd question? What PSI do your stock tires suggest being inflated to on the Car? Telsa posts 42 PSI, Leaf 36 (though the same Michelin tires support 44 PSI).

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:17 am
by jjeff
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:02 am

Anyone heard any news on the Niro EV coming to the midwest?

And an odd question? What PSI do your stock tires suggest being inflated to on the Car? Telsa posts 42 PSI, Leaf 36 (though the same Michelin tires support 44 PSI).
No, CAFE states only last I heard. Nissan suggests way too soft of a tire IMO, probably for a better ride but at the cost of reduced range/higher rolling resistance. I run my tires at 44PSI cold, they also wear better at more towards maximum pressure.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:24 am
by DaveinOlyWA
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:02 am
What area of the country are you in?

Niro EV's are still pretty hot commodities, not sure you will be able to find large discounts from MSRP.

Anyone heard any news on the Niro EV coming to the midwest?

And an odd question? What PSI do your stock tires suggest being inflated to on the Car? Telsa posts 42 PSI, Leaf 36 (though the same Michelin tires support 44 PSI).
We have someone on FB who is getting wear on outside edges of her LEAF after barely a year. Her pressure is too low. The lower the pressure, the greater the sidewall flex on turns. The sidewall is basically rolling over a bit and this increases friction, wear and lowers range. The max is 44 PSI on the sidewall. I would not go more then 2 PSI below the max and realize this is cold pressure reading so seeing 48 or more during the day is normal, expected and safe.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:40 am
by DougWantsALeaf
I would agree with that. Once you get used to the feel of the car at 44psi (and the modest range boost), you don't really want to go back. I have found traction to be just fine at the higher PSI.

It kills me that Nissan just doesn't have the car retested at 42 or 44PSI, and take the EPA range boost. Even if its just a psychological boost. Those little increases YoY help the visibility and mojo of how the car is perceived in the EV community.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:51 pm
by GRA
GCR:
Fire concern prompts stop-sale, US recall for 2019-2020 Hyundai Kona Electric
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... a-electric

. . . Including vehicles already delivered, the recall affects the entire population of U.S. Kona Electric models—6,707 vehicles—made between August 28, 2018 and March 2, 2020. Separately, in Canada, there are 4,375 Kona Electrics also to be covered by the recall.

Hyundai is continuing to actively investigate this condition for identification of an exact root cause,” stated the automaker. It noted that the high-voltage system in affected vehicles “might contain certain electrical deficiencies.”

Those deficiencies, Hyundai explains, could be related to damage to battery cells and/or faulty battery management system (BMS) control software. Altogether, the flaws could increase the risk of a short-circuit after fully charging the battery, Hyundai says.

Under the recall, owners will need to bring their Kona Electric to the dealership for an inspection of the lithium-ion battery pack—with free replacement if necessary—plus an update of the BMS.

Although there have been no reported fires in the U.S., a number of fires in other markets have prompted an investigation that started in 2019. Then, after three separate Kona Electric models that were parked—each with a full state of charge—caught fire in Korea. An incident in Europe, where Hyundai has been making the Kona Electric more widely available, and two in Canada met the same description in 2019, while through October 2020 the automaker notes another seven reports globally.

A report from the Korea Times earlier this month noted that a South Korean investigation made seemingly conflicting statements about the location of the alleged flaw—both referring to it as a manufacturing flaw in the cells, but also suggesting “electric problems in the battery pack assembly. . . ."

The battery pack in the Kona Electric is assembled by HL Green Power, which is a joint venture of LG Chem, which supplies the cells, and Hyundai Mobis. Hyundai and Kia have the same parent company, however the Kia Niro EV has completely different batteries on board—sourced by a different South Korea–based supplier, SK Innovation. . . .

Kona Electric owners in the U.S. will be formally notified of the recall in December. In the meantime, Kona Electric drivers can input their vehicle identification number (VIN) at HyundaiUSA.com/Recalls or Recalls.HyundaiCanada.com to see if it’s affected.

They’re also advised “to park their vehicles outdoors and/or away from structures until their vehicle is remedied.” Hyundai says rental vehicles will be provided if needed.

Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:37 am
by DaveinOlyWA
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:40 am
I would agree with that. Once you get used to the feel of the car at 44psi (and the modest range boost), you don't really want to go back. I have found traction to be just fine at the higher PSI.

It kills me that Nissan just doesn't have the car retested at 42 or 44PSI, and take the EPA range boost. Even if its just a psychological boost. Those little increases YoY help the visibility and mojo of how the car is perceived in the EV community.
That won't happen.

Nissan (or any other manufacturer) Hey what kind of deal can I get for tires?

Tire Guy; We can do $XX

Nissan; That is more than I had budgeted for. Can you do better?

Tire Guy; Well, we have something similar that is a bit cheaper. Won't last as long but still a good tire.

Nissan; I can make that work. How much?

Tire Guy; Lower the PSI recommendation a bit so they don't last as long. It will only be a 10% reduction in tire life. Nothing dramatic. We'll split the difference and give you 5% off.

Nissan; DEAL!