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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:28 pm

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Hamburger Hochbahn issues tender for 50 fuel cell buses

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... nfceb.html

Hamburger Hochbahn AG has launched a tender for the delivery of up to 50 fuel cell buses for the years 2021 to 2025. The invitation to tender consists of four lots.

Hochbahn will purchase both pure fuel cell hybrid buses and battery-electric buses in which the fuel cell serves as a range extender. Both solo and articulated buses are tendered for both technical solutions.

The basis of the tender is a detailed specification sheet that sets clear technical requirements for the vehicles. These include a minimum range of 300 km (186 miles) for solo buses and 230 km (143 miles) for articulated buses—longer ranges than required for the basic battery-electric bus tender (earlier post). . . .

Together with the pure battery buses, which have a range of 150 or 200 kilometers depending on the generation, Hochbahn is setting up its technology portfolio with the fuel cell buses so that the diesel bus can be retired by the end of the decade and the vehicle fleet can be completely converted to emission-free drives. The advantages of fuel cells are their high flexibility and range. . . .

The HOCHBAHN currently has two battery buses with fuel cells as range extenders that are used in normal line operations.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:30 pm

All GCC:
Hiringa Energy and HYZON Motors to deploy fuel-cell-powered heavy trucks in New Zealand in 2021

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... ringa.html


Toyota & Honda partner on fuel cell bus mobile power generation system to supply electricity in disasters

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... vinge.html


Japanese demonstration project begins for commercialization of vessels equipped with high-power fuel cells

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... essel.html


ULEMCo to deliver 20 hydrogen-fueled vehicles for Glasgow; largest hydrogen dual fuel conversion to date

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... lemco.html
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:40 am

Bill Gates’ recent post about electric vehicles contained a number of interesting insights about his views on electrification. While the Microsoft co-founder noted that EVs present an ideal solution for short-haul travel, he argued that battery-electric vehicles will probably never be a practical solution for heavy-duty machinery like 18-wheelers. This makes vehicles like the Tesla Semi inherently flawed, at least according to the tech visionary.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-wo ... -biofuels/
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:58 am

Gates should stick to something he actually knows about.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:31 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:40 am
Bill Gates’ recent post about electric vehicles contained a number of interesting insights about his views on electrification. While the Microsoft co-founder noted that EVs present an ideal solution for short-haul travel, he argued that battery-electric vehicles will probably never be a practical solution for heavy-duty machinery like 18-wheelers. This makes vehicles like the Tesla Semi inherently flawed, at least according to the tech visionary.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-wo ... -biofuels/
The arguments mentioned in the article are not convincing for trucks since the energy penalty for adding battery weight is m*g*ƒ/3.6 Wh/km
g*ƒ = ~ 9.8*0.009 per tyre per Kg tyre load, while energy density is presently around 200 Wh/Kg and expected to increase to 250 wh/Kg in the near future. R&D roadmaps include 400 - 500 Wh/Kg

Battery cost and charging are moving targets.
The only argument I know of that currently has merit is the load limit of roads but I think that can be mitigated with more axles.

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The killer application for electric trucks is platooning. Electrics have natural advantages here due to the response speed and Tesla is way ahead of everybody else in the software.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:35 am

General Motors is taking a stake in electric vehicle maker Nikola Corp. in a deal that will eventually deliver $4 billion in benefits to GM as it commercializes its EV technology. 
The partnership will ultimately reduce costs for each company as GM pursues its all-electric vehicle strategy.
In the deal, announced Tuesday, Nikola will exchange $2 billion in newly issued stock for services and access to GM's parts and components. Nikola has yet to make any of the heavy duty hydrogen fuel cell trucks it is developing. GM also has the right to nominate one board director at Nikola.
GM will "engineer, homologate, validate and manufacture the Nikola Badger battery electric and fuel cell versions," the companies said in a statement. The Badger is a heavy-duty fuel-cell electric pickup expected to go into production by the end of 2022.
“This strategic partnership with Nikola, an industry leading disrupter, continues the broader deployment of General Motors’ all-new Ultium battery and Hydrotec fuel cell systems,” said GM CEO Mary Barra. “We are growing our presence in multiple high-volume EV segments while building scale to lower battery and fuel cell costs and increase profitability."
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ ... 743468002/
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:54 am

So much for "fully functional"
Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotional video
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/ni ... nal-video/
Best quote from Nikola: :lol: :lol:
"Nikola never stated its truck was driving under its own propulsion in the video," Nikola wrote.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:48 pm

All GCC:
Ballard introduces fuel cell industry’s first commercial module to power ships: FCwave

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... llard.html


Freudenberg Sealing Technologies and Quantron AG collaborate on fuel cell systems for heavy-duty trucks

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 9-fst.html


DOE awards Cummins $1M to develop hydrogen rescue truck

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... mmins.html
The US Department of Energy’s (DOE’s) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE), in collaboration with the US Department of Defense and the US Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate, has awarded Cummins, Inc. approximately $1 million in federal funds to develop H2Rescue, a hydrogen fuel cell truck that will travel to disaster relief sites and provide power, heat, and water. . . .

Element 1, CO-WIN road testing medium-duty fuel cell truck with onboard methanol-based hydrogen generation

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 17-e1.html


Daimler Trucks unveils Mercedes-Benz fuel-cell concept truck, previews long-haul battery-electric truck; electrification strategy

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... rucks.html


Liquid H2 for the long haul tractor, range of 1,000 km/620 miles.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:06 pm

All GCC:
BYD electric motor coaches selected for California purchasing contract; available to governmental entities outside CA

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 3-byd.html


Citroën introduces electric ë-Jumper van; up to 17 m3 payload

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... umper.html

Volta Trucks reveals purpose-built full-electric large commercial vehicle for inner city freight distribution: Volta Zero

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... volta.html

Toronto now has the largest fleet of electric buses in North America on the road with arrival of third new electric bus model

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 1-ttc.html


DHE begins piloting Volvo VNR Electric heavy-duty trucks in SoCal fleet

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 1-dhe.html


City of Szczecin buying 8 Solaris Urbino 18 articulated electric buses

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... laris.html

Proterra unveils ZX5 next-generation battery-electric transit bus

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... terra.html


Endera delivers electric shuttles to ACE Parking for San Diego Airport; Lightning Systems drivetrain

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... ndera.html


Mack LR Electric refuse truck to enter production in 2021

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -mack.html


Corvus Energy to supply batteries for five new electric ferries

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... orvus.html


Enel enters public transit electrification market in US; partners with MassCEC for electric bus fleet

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -enel.html
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:24 pm

Both GCC:
MZK Pila buying five Solaris Urbino 12 electric buses

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... laris.html

Solaris has won a tender announced by the public transport operator Miejski Zaklad Komunikacyjny (MZK) in Pila for the supply of five Urbino 12 electric buses including the charging infrastructure. The deliveries will be completed in April 2022. . . .

The electric drive consists of two motors integrated in an electric axle, each of 125 kW. Of the three types of batteries offered by Solaris, MZK in Pila has opted for Solaris High Power batteries of 120 kWh, with a guaranteed range of 90 km on a single charge, for its buses. This type of energy storage enables a very quick recharging, lasting barely a few to a dozen or so minutes. . . .

EMT Madrid places a third order with Irizar e-mobility making a total of 55 Irizar electric buses in fleet

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... rizar.html
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