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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:15 am

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Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:54 am
^^ manufacturer recommends against use while driving. You can view that as lawyer CYA but it does reflect a real problem with the cord wrapping around the steering wheel column. Owner reviews say the same.
Your probably right on the CYA factor but personally if I couldn't use it while driving I'd really not be interested. Think of how many people(including me) with the Leaf complain how quickly the steering wheel gets cold when the thermostat cuts power while driving. It's not like the steering wheel can really get warm and store the heat, I'd guess within a minute or two after cutting power the steering wheel is noticeably cool, which again would be a deal-breaker for me. All the more reason to wait for Leftie's assessment and yes I did read quite a few of the reviews, some were good but a lot mentioned the cord thing, which was my biggest concern....
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:13 am

jjeff wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:15 am
SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:54 am
^^ manufacturer recommends against use while driving. You can view that as lawyer CYA but it does reflect a real problem with the cord wrapping around the steering wheel column. Owner reviews say the same.
Your probably right on the CYA factor but personally if I couldn't use it while driving I'd really not be interested. Think of how many people(including me) with the Leaf complain how quickly the steering wheel gets cold when the thermostat cuts power while driving. It's not like the steering wheel can really get warm and store the heat, I'd guess within a minute or two after cutting power the steering wheel is noticeably cool, which again would be a deal-breaker for me. All the more reason to wait for Leftie's assessment and yes I did read quite a few of the reviews, some were good but a lot mentioned the cord thing, which was my biggest concern....
I like cool steering wheels but do not like them freezing. So a pre-heat sounds pretty good to me. An EV that can be started remotely could work out quite well, except that the manufacturer says that the heater should be disconnected when not in use -- presumably to avoid draining the 12v battery.

I thought about this in regards to my Tesla and decided to simply pre-heat the cabin to 65F or so with shore electricity on truly cold days since I want to warm up the battery a little anyways. End of drama.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:00 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:54 am
^^ manufacturer recommends against use while driving. You can view that as lawyer CYA but it does reflect a real problem with the cord wrapping around the steering wheel column. Owner reviews say the same.
I also read the reviews before buying. If you install it as suggested by one reviewer, with the socket pigtail in the 5 O'clock/front position, the cord doesn't try to wrap around the wheel - it flaps around in front of it. I straightened the cord before using it, and I mentally kept my eye on it while driving. I can see it wrapping around the wheel if installed with the pigtail on the back of the cover, and/or with it on the side of the wheel opposite the power port (lighter socket). I agree that this is NOT an accessory for poor or inattentive drivers. And yes, the warning is legal CYA - valid legal CYA.

I'll keep you updated, jjeff. I drive that car about once every two to three weeks on average in Winter. Maybe once a week, now. Maybe I'll ask my HM about installing the simple electric heat system I developed a few years ago...
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:52 pm

I'm going to cross-post this here from the Priuschat site. I'm looking for help.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:54 pm

Other question: how do I go about using my OBDII reader with the PIP? Which compatible app is best, and where is that port on the 2013 PIP? (Brand of dongle in Signature.)


EDIT: Ok, I installed Torque Pro. Hopefully it will play nice with my dongle later today. I now also know how to remove the mass airflow sensor, although I have no intention of doing it. (I may, possibly, take enough off to look into it for the famous oil Swamp.) That leaves the location of the ODBII port...
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:33 am

Here is the update I just posted at PriusChat:

We just had a "friendly" (not really) chat with the dealership's tech - one of them, anyway. According to her, they have consulted with Toyota, and have been instructed to essentially do a compression test and inspect the valve springs - for $480. She claims that either a valve spring or two is bad (???) or "the whole engine needs to be replaced." I cannot, for the life of me, envision a scenario in which broken valve springs cause a problem only with cold starts and idling, or a scenario in which this behavior necessitates that the whole engine be replaced. There was no more mention of the ECU, despite the fact that an ECU reset eliminated the symptoms for a while. I know how ICEs work. Is the Prius 's simulated Atkinson cycle engine so different that what this tech is saying can be true? Does anyone here know of an existing issue like this? Does anyone know of a good shop in the Albany NY area that specializes in Priuses? I have no confidence in this dealership...


Can anyone here envision a way in which these techs (and Toyota) know what they are talking about?
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:11 am

The PIP has been sitting parked, getting used only for very occasional errands. It's been run two or three times but is mainly driven in EV mode. A 2019 leaf S, of all cars, has suddenly interested my housemate, and we are interested in finding out if there is any interest here in buying the Prius, and for how much. Read back in this thread for the issue with the ICE. The car has very low mileage (30k) and isn't rusty. It's a bit dingy inside from not being cleaned often enough, but I know of no permanent stains or rips in the interior. The exterior has some damage from being hit by a deer, and there is a crack in the front bumper cover. The battery capacity, despite being babied over the years, is at about 66% of new, with a Summer EV range of 10 miles. The KBB price for the car in "Fair" condition is $6-8k as a trade-in and $8-10k in a private sale. We would definitely take $8k for the car, and might consider a little less. We can't transport the car, but would cooperate in having it shipped. It is drive-able as-is, although I wouldn't want to try driving it many hundreds of miles, even though I was able to detect no exhaust residue in the coolant using a test kit. It's the Base version, 'Sea Mist Pearl' or something like that - basically a very pale green. The interior is dark grey. I'll try to link an old photo, and if there is interest I can take some current ones. This car is a great little hauler, with a large, no-liftover cargo area that we will miss greatly. The car's 'lifetime' fuel economy average is something like 72MPG. Everything works, AFAIK. I just added a hardwired 12 volt battery maintainer lead in the rear, to make it easy to keep the little battery topped off. I think it will need a new 12 volt battery before Winter, though, as it's still on the original. It has four like-new Toyo Celsius 4 season Winter tires, and IIRC the brake pads were done last year.

Apparently the Base is rare in this color, so just mentally delete the fog lights from this web photo:

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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:14 pm

As I posted in another thread:
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/faqs ... s-change-0 says
Vehicle Eligibility

Effective April 6, 2021, the AER requirement for eligible Light-Duty Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) will be increased to 30 miles EPA (45 miles UDDS). All applications received on or after April 6, 2021 will only be eligible for a rebate if the vehicle is on the updated eligible vehicle list at the time of application. The following vehicles are NO LONGER ELIGIBLE beginning April 6, 2021:

• Ford Fusion Energi
• Hyundai Sonata Plug-in Hybrid
• Hyundai Ioniq PHEV
• Kia Niro Plug-in Hybrid
• Kia Optima Plug-in Hybrid
• Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
• Toyota Prius Prime
I'm guessing that CA sales of the above will plummet.

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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:31 pm

I can certainly see raising it, but 30 miles seems to have been designed to take out several specific vehicles that still provide enough AER for many to commute as an EV. Also, they need to look at fuel economy when battery depleted.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:21 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:31 pm
I can certainly see raising it, but 30 miles seems to have been designed to take out several specific vehicles that still provide enough AER for many to commute as an EV. Also, they need to look at fuel economy when battery depleted.

Agreed. Rather than raising the required AER:and eliminating cars like the Prime and Niro PHEVs they should have lowered the price cap from its current $60k to no more than $40k and preferably a lot less. That would cause the auto companies to concentrate on price reductions.
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