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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:30 pm

I saw a $1M worth of cars passing me today at a traffic light.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:21 pm

I'm sure that many people see a million dollars' worth of cars during the evening rush, but there aren't usually that few of them. ;)
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:31 am

Since Taycan I tested Model 3 Performance and Model S 100P. Both provide similar experience for 0-60.
It differs though in a few other areas:
1. When accelerating from 20-60 - it is not the same as 0-60, not even close
2. Anything above 60 mph is anemic

Taycan pulls with same heavy force in any scenarios (at least to 95 mph - the safe max I reached during testing considering the road). The only way to stop it is to let go of accelerator.

Anyway, after doing quite a few pull ups in a short period of time I can only say - your body can take a few with excitement, but after that it would hurt a bit. I would say anything less than 3s 0-60 is going to take a toll on your body. So the sweet spot is between 3-4 secs.

Soon Tycan 4S should become available and it is within sweet spot ~3.6 secs. I am pretty sure with performance package (includes same battery as Turbo and Turbo S) it should be comparable to Turbo, although Porsche is pointing to no change in the 0-60 time with performance package, but it has the same power output and torque as Turbo. Will see...
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:17 pm

For those that follow comparative BEV accelerations;

https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884/be ... l-21-2020/
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:51 am

I suppose 0-60 really matters for someone in the market for a Porsche. Based upon that chart, a Taycan buyer will be very happy.

Personally, I've never cared about 0-60 times. OTOH, I really loved my LEAF for it's instantaneous torque and 0-30 performance; e.g., when I was first at a red light and it went green, I loved being able to pull away from all the other cars.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:08 am

jlv wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:51 am
I suppose 0-60 really matters for someone in the market for a Porsche. Based upon that chart, a Taycan buyer will be very happy.

Personally, I've never cared about 0-60 times. OTOH, I really loved my LEAF for it's instantaneous torque and 0-30 performance; e.g., when I was first at a red light and it went green, I loved being able to pull away from all the other cars.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:33 am

He likes lots of things -- some of which do matter. I do suppose the number of people who've bought Tesla performance version cars is definite a sign that some people think this is important. (It just isn't to me)

What I meant with my post two above is that there is the perception that someone who buys a Porsche is looking for a performance car. By all accounts the Taycan definitely delivers!
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:05 pm

jlv wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:51 am
I suppose 0-60 really matters for someone in the market for a Porsche. Based upon that chart, a Taycan buyer will be very happy.

Personally, I've never cared about 0-60 times. OTOH, I really loved my LEAF for it's instantaneous torque and 0-30 performance; e.g., when I was first at a red light and it went green, I loved being able to pull away from all the other cars.

I'm in partial agreement with you - I never much cared about 0-60 as long as I could do a safe freeway merge from a metering light (my dad's Peugeot 504D's 28.1 sec. 0-60 could make that a white knuckle affair on occasion), but I do care about passing acceleration and with a BEV, range, and will happily trade some 0-20 accel to gain improvements in those areas. But I'm not a Porsche customer.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm

I care about 0-60 times, but having grown up in the Seventies I have some perspective. My first car (not the first one I drove - that was a V-8 Plymouth Sport Suburban wagon) was a Volvo 122S with a terrible Borg-Warner 3 speed automatic that took about 15 seconds to get the car to 60MPH. It would eventually get up to 110MPH though, and because the car handled well I would eventually pass all of my friends in their American cars who were struggling to stay on the road above 80. So anything no slower than 10 seconds is fine with me. I do like being able to blast UP hills, though! If I do manage to upgrade to an SV+ the extra HP will be fun, but my 40kwh Leaf is actually fast enough for me.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:29 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm
but my 40kwh Leaf is actually fast enough for me.
As is mine!
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