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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:19 pm

GCR:
First drive review: 202 Porsche Taycan 4S range experiences, from California canyons to the Arctic
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... the-arctic


A reminder, the 4S is the "cheaper, lighter, slower" base version. Similar article at IEVS:
2020 Porsche Taycan 4S First Drive: Canyon Carver, Winter Warrior
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/387026/2 ... rst-drive/


ABG:
Porsche Taycan demand exceeds expectations in Europe
30,000 customers have made down payments and 10,000 have placed firm orders
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/11/por ... ectations/
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:53 pm

GRA wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:50 pm
Note that the City efficiency is lower than the Hwy efficiency, which shows the effects of a 5,132 lb,. curb weight. I suspect some of the rest is due to grippy, non-LRR tires. This is somewhat disappointing for the U.S., not that I think the typical Taycan customer will care given how the car will likely be driven.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:41 pm

Per the Green Car Reports article above, under significantly more favorable than EPA conditions (ideal temps, low speed):

After charging, for a driving stint that was mostly a low-speed freeway creep back to a staging area in downtown LA, we averaged 34.7 kwh per 100 miles (and 22 mph) over 13.6 miles. That stint suggested in the vicinity of 250 miles on a full charge.

This would add support that real world driving should look near the EPA ~200 mile range.

Agree, the high-roller performance enthusiast may not care tremendously about range and efficiency as long as he can get it from point A to B in style.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:32 am

While the EPA 201 mile range for the Taycan may suck, as others have suggested, as long as it looks good and will work in town, most Porsche buyers won't care. Porsche buyers don't typically do long road trips in their cars unless it's a Cayenne or such family vehicle. Most will put at most 300mi/mo on their Taycans, I would bet.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:21 pm

IEVS:
First Porsche Taycan Gets Delivered In The U.S.
https://insideevs.com/news/389168/first ... ivered-us/
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:13 pm

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2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S gets 192-mile EPA range rating
It's even less efficient than the Taycan Turbo
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/15/por ... epa-range/

A fact of probably zero concern to buyers.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:38 pm

ABG:
2020 Porsche Taycan crushes its EPA range in our exclusive test
We test the electric Porsche extensively on a set EV test route and on a desert road trip
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/03/202 ... ange-test/

. . . I’ve taken numerous trips in many different electric cars, so I was never concerned about the Taycan even if its range did prove to be “just” 201 miles. But it’s now abundantly clear to me that the Taycan Turbo’s real world range is easily better that the number the EPA gave it.

My result of 287 miles of projected range in around-town driving shows that there’s ample cushion if you drive normally. It took 72.9 kWh to replenish the battery afterwards, and the math works out to a consumption rate of 34.8 kWh/100. That’s fully 29% better than the EPA rating of 49 kWh/100.

It's true that most EVs can exceed their rated range when driven prudently, but I've never seen this much margin on this course. Still, an EV's published range is conservative by design, the result of lopping 30 percent off the number generated by the EPA test protocol. As it happens, 201 miles is exactly what you get if you take 30 percent off my 287-mile result. I'm not saying that my course mimics the EPA EV test pattern exactly, but maybe this result says something about the by-the-book nature of Porsche's numbers in the context of the EPA procedure.

Better still, the numbers didn’t plummet on a more spirited road trip. Higher speeds and a bit of light hooning up a mountain had an effect, but it was nothing like I expected. My projected range was still more than 50 miles better than its official rating after all that. So let’s agree to stop wringing our collective hands about the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range. It’s more than fine.

On a mixed urban route, 287 miles indicated (201 EPA for the Turbo, actually drove 209.2 miles with 78 indicated DTE, 43% better than EPA driving middle of the pack, ACC set to 72 deg.).

Then, 167.5 miles driven to Borrego Springs on freeway, four lane as well as some two lane roads (the kind that people buy Porsches for), including up and down Mt. Palomar, with 86 miles on the DTE (253.5 total estimated) on arrival, driving it more like a Porsche.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:55 am

This chart comparing the WLTP, EPA, and the range achieved by Nextmove is really interesting.
Porsche Taycan Turbo Almost Matches Tesla Model 3 In This Range Test
From https://insideevs.com/news/396446/porsc ... l-3-range/
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:37 pm

^^^ 81 mph avg. (intended to be 93 mph). Not bad.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:48 pm

Looks to me that the model s beats it on the 0-60 and range and price

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