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Thanks. Telek/Teleke/Sean has mentioned some higher numbers elsewhere that didn't jive with page 2 of https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCLRPT-20V701-7407.PDF from end of April 2021, even though the numbers were from the same time frame.

Someone at chevybolt.org pointed me to https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-important-chevrolet-bolt-recall-fire-risk which says "NHTSA is aware of two recent Chevrolet Bolt EV fires in vehicles that received the recall remedy." I presume this is the VT (lawmaker) + the NJ ones CNBC was referring to.

My '19 Bolt isn't part of the recall population, but for those w/recalled Bolts, I can (and have seen) folks getting quite frustrated and waiting to bail, esp. those who charge/store their cars inside a garage at home.
 
cwerdna said:
Customers who have not had the remedy completed should still visit their dealer for the recall remedy while our investigation continues. At GM, safety is our highest priority, and we are moving as quickly as we can to investigate this issue
On chevybolt.org and some FB groups, we knew about the VT fire but we hadn't heard (AFAIK) about the NJ one.
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It was July 2nd in Bound Brook, NJ (https://www.facebook.com/FinderneFD/posts/4728387277191158). I'm not sure what year his car was. The car has mysteriously gone missing since the fire.
 
cwerdna said:
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GM probably bought it to investigate.

The fire is still under investigation and the police are looking for it so that doesn't seem to be the case. I can try to get more details, but I've tried not to bother him too much since he has a lot going on. I do know that the car received both updates. His had to be a 2018 or earlier (maybe 2017 if I remember correctly) because he already had it when I bought my Leaf. It's likely from both the damage I saw and the way he talked about how the fire went that the car had been charging overnight. He was saying how lucky he was that it happened at 6 in the morning instead of 2, but if it was charging then it would make sense to happen later in the morning after it had finished.
 
The fires seem to have driven used Bolts about 50% higher than they were mid pandemic.

I turned down a $9999 special March 2020, sort of wish I grabbed it since I’m in a “low risk” situation and the cheapest bolts over north of $15k these days.

More fires there are the higher the asking price.

Worth noting out of 16 million F150s
11083 lit on fire and even newish F150s have a recall on fire.

Spontaneous combustion is no good but the Bolt fire incidence is likely no higher than other vehicles , just the “when it lights” aspect is unfortunate.
 
rmay635703 said:
I turned down a $9999 special March 2020, sort of wish I grabbed it since I’m in a “low risk” situation and the cheapest bolts over north of $15k these days.
You would have gotten the absolute lowest price. I've heard of around $12k was the lowest right after the start of the pandemic. Did the Bolt you looked at had more than 60k miles?
 
Triggerhappy007 said:
rmay635703 said:
I turned down a $9999 special March 2020, sort of wish I grabbed it since I’m in a “low risk” situation and the cheapest bolts over north of $15k these days.
You would have gotten the absolute lowest price. I've heard of around $12k was the lowest right after the start of the pandemic. Did the Bolt you looked at had more than 60k miles?

Yes, closer to 80,000
 
Second recall on the previously recalled '17 to '19 Bolts so https://my.chevrolet.com/how-to-support/safety/boltevrecall has been updated.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/23/gm-announces-recall-after-a-dozen-bolt-ev-fires-6-key-questions-we-need-answers-to/ has some Q&A that I'd seen posted elsewhere.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V560-6162.PDF has a bit more info. It is 1 of 2 associated docs at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2017/CHEVROLET/BOLT/4%252520DR/FWD#recalls for recall 21V560000 that began today, 7/23/21, coinciding w/the announcements and news this morning.

Re: Bolt fires, someone started a a timeline and one of the new moderators at chevybolt.org asked me for some NHTSA URLs related to the fires. Timeline is at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/fire-recalls-timeline.39544/ and a bunch of relevant URLs (e.g. "final remedy", new (7/23/21) recall precautions, etc.) are in my reply in post 3 there.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the timeline since I've not verified it myself.
 
These two new docs popped up on NHTSA's site involving the recalled '17 to '19 Bolts.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCSB-21V560-6354.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCSB-20V701-6348.pdf

There's a stop sale once again on these, as expected.
 
cwerdna said:
These two new docs popped up on NHTSA's site involving the recalled '17 to '19 Bolts.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCSB-21V560-6354.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCSB-20V701-6348.pdf

There's a stop sale once again on these, as expected.

So what is a better value right now? The new Bolt EUV or an ID4? ID4 is more expensive but I can get a tax credit.

One thing that always bugged me was lack of adaptive cruise on Bolt. I know they added it, but do you have to get the "Blue Cruise" or whatever they call it? I don't want to pay for that, but having a standard adaptive cruise would be nice.

I'm on the waiting list for Hyundai's Ioniq 5, but other than a few spam emails, they really haven't done anything. When I gave them the $100 they said a dealer would be in contact within a week. That was months ago.
 
I had checked out a Bolt awhile ago, but the seats were horrible. Don't know if they were improved for the EUV. After the emissions lawsuit during the previous administration, I chose only to shop the 4 companies that sided with California. They are Ford, VW, BMW, and Audi. Have a reservation for the ID.4, but not definate on buying it yet. Most companies dropped the lawsuit last December, but there were a few that held out until February.

Old thread here
GRA said:
GM hits reverse on Trump effort to bar California emissions rules
 
Sorry, I can't answer dan's question right now esp. since I haven't been following '22 Bolt EV and EUV closely. That said, ID.4 DC FC rate blows away the aforementioned Bolts. As I've mentioned a bunch of times, it's super disappointing it's still 55 kW max on those GM vehicles.

But, VW reliability usually leaves something be desired and VW isn't good at making reliable electrical systems, so an electric vehicle from them and also a first model year of a new vehicle? Bolt EV has done well in Consumer Reports reliability ratings, so far. I can't help but wonder if it'll tank the next time it's updated due to the recall and enough people not following directions on the survey.

From https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/consumer-reports-car-reliability-faq/ says
For reliability, we ask members to note any problems with their vehicles that occurred in the past 12 months. They are asked to identify problems that they considered serious (because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime). We ask them to include problems covered by warranty, but not the ones resulting from accident damage or due solely to recall.
 
cwerdna said:
Sorry, I can't answer dan's question right now esp. since I haven't been following '22 Bolt EV and EUV closely. That said, ID.4 DC FC rate blows away the aforementioned Bolts. As I've mentioned a bunch of times, it's super disappointing it's still 55 kW max on those GM vehicles.

But, VW reliability usually leaves something be desired and VW isn't good at making reliable electrical systems, so an electric vehicle from them and also a first model year of a new vehicle? Bolt EV has done well in Consumer Reports reliability ratings, so far. I can't help but wonder if it'll tank the next time it's updated due to the recall and enough people not following directions on the survey.

From https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/consumer-reports-car-reliability-faq/ says
For reliability, we ask members to note any problems with their vehicles that occurred in the past 12 months. They are asked to identify problems that they considered serious (because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime). We ask them to include problems covered by warranty, but not the ones resulting from accident damage or due solely to recall.

Seems like they did a lot of work on the interior for the refresh, but didn't touch the battery pack. So size and charging remain the same.

Are the seats the same on the EUV as the Bolt?

I'll have to check out a dealer and sit in them sometime. The slow charging is a drawback, but I'm still expecting my next eV to only be used for short to medium distance trips. I found my answer though to Adaptive - you don't have to get the Super Cruise, but you DO have to get the Premium Trim. Bummer.
 
solartim said:
I had checked out a Bolt awhile ago, but the seats were horrible. Don't know if they were improved for the EUV. After the emissions lawsuit during the previous administration, I chose only to shop the 4 companies that sided with California. They are Ford, VW, BMW, and Audi. Have a reservation for the ID.4, but not definate on buying it yet. Most companies dropped the lawsuit last December, but there were a few that held out until February. [Snip]


The seats and much of the rest of the interior have been changed for the 2022 Bolt, and the EUV got them as well.
 
danrjones said:
cwerdna said:
Sorry, I can't answer dan's question right now esp. since I haven't been following '22 Bolt EV and EUV closely. That said, ID.4 DC FC rate blows away the aforementioned Bolts. As I've mentioned a bunch of times, it's super disappointing it's still 55 kW max on those GM vehicles.

But, VW reliability usually leaves something be desired and VW isn't good at making reliable electrical systems, so an electric vehicle from them and also a first model year of a new vehicle? Bolt EV has done well in Consumer Reports reliability ratings, so far. I can't help but wonder if it'll tank the next time it's updated due to the recall and enough people not following directions on the survey.

From https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/consumer-reports-car-reliability-faq/ says
For reliability, we ask members to note any problems with their vehicles that occurred in the past 12 months. They are asked to identify problems that they considered serious (because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime). We ask them to include problems covered by warranty, but not the ones resulting from accident damage or due solely to recall.

Seems like they did a lot of work on the interior for the refresh, but didn't touch the battery pack. So size and charging remain the same.

Are the seats the same on the EUV as the Bolt?

I'll have to check out a dealer and sit in them sometime. The slow charging is a drawback, but I'm still expecting my next eV to only be used for short to medium distance trips. I found my answer though to Adaptive - you don't have to get the Super Cruise, but you DO have to get the Premium Trim. Bummer.


With far faster charging available now, I'm more interested in the Ionic 5 (less in the EV 6, as it's bigger). Personally, I'm leery of Adaptive Cruise Control, as it's the kind of 'aid' that encourages lessened attention - with regular cruise, I know what will happen every time if I stop paying attention and overtake a slower car - a crash. Whereas ACC prevents that most of the time, in routine situations. If you're only going to be using the car for short to medium trips, is ACC that big a deal for you?
 
Bjorn's 120 kph test of the Ioniq5 range in good weather was 180 miles.
Shiiet

In the 1000 km challenge the Ioniq5 matched the Model 3 SR+ and was snuffed by the Model 3 LR
 
SageBrush said:
Bjorn's 120 kph test of the Ioniq5 range in good weather was 180 miles.
Shiiet

In the 1000 km challenge the Ioniq5 matched the Model 3 SR+ and was snuffed by the Model 3 LR

Did he test the 58 kWh or 72.6 kWh battery capacity or the 77.4 ?
 
I believe Mark Kane's distinguishing between a 72.6 and 77.4 kWh battery is incorrect - the former value is the usable capacity, the latter total capacity. AFAIK Hyundai doesn't have three different capacity packs, just two.
 
SageBrush said:
Bjorn's 120 kph test of the Ioniq5 range in good weather was 180 miles.
Shiiet

In the 1000 km challenge the Ioniq5 matched the Model 3 SR+ and was snuffed by the Model 3 LR


It's hardly a surprise that an aero-sedan with a bigger battery outranges a much less aero CUV. OTOH, the Ionic 5 is the fastest CUV in the 1,000 km test. Bjorn said it took 10:06 but that should be 10:00, and in better conditions (there was some rain) thought it might manage 9:40, which would be 40 minutes faster than the Model X LR, and 20 minutes slower than the Model 3 LR:https://insideevs.com/news/523982/hyundai-ioniq5-bjorn-1000km-challenge/
 
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