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MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:19 pm

drees wrote:Very interesting:
"That number seems like a significant improvement, but in fact the only change made to the car is the elimination of a software option that let owners set battery charging to stop at 80 percent."

Reading through the owner's manual from here: 2014 Owner's Manual is available online

I couldn't find any reference to "long life" or storage mode for the car.


That makes NO sense: why would they eliminate the 80% charge option (especially if it's a software/programmable option). I could see them adding MORE charging options (e.g. 50% or 90%), not LESS :?:

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Re: Lease now or wait for 2014s?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:20 pm

drees wrote:
"That number seems like a significant improvement, but in fact the only change made to the car is the elimination of a software option that let owners set battery charging to stop at 80 percent."

Reading through the owner's manual from here: 2014 Owner's Manual is available online

I couldn't find any reference to "long life" or storage mode for the car.


Weird. Could this just be because having the 80% charge mode lowered the EPA range?
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Re: Lease now or wait for 2014s?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:23 pm

Berlino wrote:Weird. Could this just be because having the 80% charge mode lowered the EPA range?
Likely. It could also be because the "Long Life Mode" didn't make much difference. None of the numbers I've seen here suggest it helps all that much.
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MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:28 pm

Green Car Reports:

Rated range rises to 84 miles

Most importantly to new buyers, the range of the 2014 Leaf is now listed as 84 miles, up from last year's 76 miles

That number seems like a significant improvement, but in fact the only change made to the car is the elimination of a software option that let owners set battery charging to stop at 80 percent.

In other words, the 2014 car has exactly the same battery, drivetrain, and real-world range as the 2013--only its EPA range rating has changed.


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/108 ... w-standard

I'm wondering how folks here will react to this. I also wonder if it's true? The same article says AroundView is standard on the 2014's, yet the 2014 specs clearly show it as optional.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:41 pm

Bicster wrote:Green Car Reports:

Rated range rises to 84 miles

Most importantly to new buyers, the range of the 2014 Leaf is now listed as 84 miles, up from last year's 76 miles

That number seems like a significant improvement, but in fact the only change made to the car is the elimination of a software option that let owners set battery charging to stop at 80 percent.

In other words, the 2014 car has exactly the same battery, drivetrain, and real-world range as the 2013--only its EPA range rating has changed.


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/108 ... w-standard

The same article says AroundView is standard on the 2014's, yet the 2014 specs clearly show it as optional.


Maybe the article has been edited since you read it but it now clearly says rearview and not aroundview is standard.

Concerning the mileage, if the EPA wants to make stupid rules for determining EPA mileage then all the manufactures will play by their stupid rules. It doesn't make the claim less legitimate, I easily average over 84 miles to a 100% charge. However, I have no speed limit above 60 and most of it is speed limit 45 and level for my daily 50 mile RT commute.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:45 pm

I would hope they would not deliver cars with no 80% charge option unless they fix their battery issues first (hot battery)... How inconvenient to have to play with charge timers if you want to baby your battery.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:57 pm

Sure, let's kill off the batteries even faster just to get a few-mile increase in EPA rating. Why not? Shows exactly where the priorities are.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:07 pm

I don't think 100% charge has had nearly the effect on degradation that was initially thought.
Maybe the new hot battery has even less effect for 100% charge.
Of course if there is any way to expand the exaggeration on range.... Nissan is ALL IN.
Now if Nissan improves the GOM so we can consistantly use 3 of the last 5 miles we would have a real improvement.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:24 pm

My suggestion would be to simply have a screen where the driver can set an arbitrary charge amount. So if I wanted 75% charge, I could set that. If I wanted 80%, I could set that. But if you don't call it a long-life mode, or give a specific charge setting, then the EPA won't really be able to do call it a long-life battery mode.
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Re: MY2014 no more 80% charge option?

Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:27 pm

They needed to drop the 80% thing

Not using the whole pack is just nonsense

Charge to 100% then drive promptly

Loitering at high soc is bad, charging to 100% then promptly driving is not.......

Man if the packs were 40 or 50kwh , then yeah great partial charge or whatever
With only a 24kwh pack and not all that avail anyway ,,, charge charge charge!
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