Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

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WATCH AS JAGUAR I-PACE GETS TEST DRIVEN, SCORES ONLY 6 OUT OF 10
https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-test-driven-video/

. . . The I-Pace is definitely quick, sporty, agile and responsive. The quick review includes a look at the exterior, interior and trunk, too.

The overall verdict for the Jaguar I-Pace is surprisingly low though – just 6/10 from Carwow, who lists:

  • Pros:

    Very quick
    Big boot for a car this size
    High-tech cabin
    Cons:

    No seven-seat option
    Quite expensive
    Fiddlier infotainment than in alternatives. . . .
 
edatoakrun said:
What more can you say about a reviewer whose #1 complaint is that it's not a minivan...
There's no such thing as "comfortable for five adults" with two row seating. There's also no such thing as third row seating that is comfortable for adults in SUVs or crossovers... in order for the space in the rear to comfortably accommodate adults you need a flat floor, cab forward design and a roofline that doesn't slope down too much. There are plenty of vehicles into which you can cram more than four adults, but the only design where you can do so comfortably are minivans (without going to larger types of vehicles).
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
edatoakrun said:
What more can you say about a reviewer whose #1 complaint is that it's not a minivan...
There's no such thing as "comfortable for five adults" with two row seating. There's also no such thing as third row seating that is comfortable for adults in SUVs or crossovers... in order for the space in the rear to comfortably accommodate adults you need a flat floor, cab forward design and a roofline that doesn't slope down too much. There are plenty of vehicles into which you can cram more than four adults, but the only design where you can do so comfortably are minivans (without going to larger types of vehicles).
It is what it is and should be reviewed accordingly. No need to compare to a Prius, F350 or minivan.
 
I suspect these may be the 320 PS variant.

Quite a nice-sized order for Jaguar, though.

Waymo and Jaguar Team Up With 20,000 Car Self-Driving Fleet

...Under the accord, Alphabet Inc.’s Waymo will integrate its self-driving system into Jaguar’s I-Pace electric SUVs, the first all-electric offering from the luxury unit of Tata Motors Ltd. Waymo said it plans to place 20,000 autonomous I-Pace vehicles on the road for tests in 2018. By 2020, the vehicles will become part of Waymo’s ride-hailing taxi service, set to begin this year...

The companies didn’t disclose financial terms, but Waymo is planning to purchase the I-Pace vehicles, which sell for $69,500. That would place Waymo’s payment for the deal at more than $1.3 billion.

Jaguar CEO Ralf Speth said he’d already “ringfenced” the 20,000 I-Paces for Waymo.The vehicle will go on sale to the general public in the U.S. toward the end of this year. He emphasized the partnership as a way for Jaguar to embrace new forms of transportation while preserving the thrill of driving that attracts new-car buyers..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27/waymo-and-jaguar-team-up-with-20-000-car-self-driving-fleet

A more plausible delivery schedule reported here;

...Jaguar will deliver its vehicles for Waymo’s ride-hailing from 2020 to 2022. Waymo says the 20,000 I-Pace models will provide up to 1m rides per day...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/27/waymo-self-driving-taxis-jaguar-land-rover
 
Sounds like Jaguar has no desire to displace the Tesla S on this list as the most expensive car to insure...

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/05/22/25-most-expensive-cars-to-insure/6/

Jaguar I-Pace SVR would prioritise handling, not 0-60mph time

...With rumours of an I-Pace SVR – and even a special limited-edition ‘Project’ car – gathering momentum, product planning boss Hanno Kirner conceded that teams within the firm had already worked through potential credentials for such cars.

“We have asked ourselves how you would ‘SVR’ an electric car,” said Kirner. “Yes, we can make it do 0-60mph in 1.8sec. It’s a good headline, but once you’ve done it once or twice, and lost your eyes in the back of their sockets, you might not want to do it again.”

Kirner highlighted the I-Pace’s 50/50 weight distribution and dynamic set-up in standard form as indications of what could be possible with the car. He also suggested that technical enhancements from current SVR vehicles could be applied in the same way to the I-Pace but also cautioned that an electric powertrain would need to be treated with respect.

“You also have to make sure you can’t go too fast,” he said. “I do worry that the instant torque and performance might be too much for untrained drivers. It may be that we have to impose some kind of restriction, so that the performance is limited until they have gone on a driving course or something.”...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/jaguar-i-pace-svr-would-prioritise-handling-not-0-60mph-time

As a LEAF driver who has never even done a full-throttle launch to 60 mph in my over seven years of driving, I doubt I'll be interested in an SVR anyway.

I repeat that I'd like a lightweight sport version of the I-PACE, using a lower capacity battery pack along with the previously announced low-output motors, optimized for handling on mountain roads.

And particularly so if Jaguar could cut the price by ~$10 k or so for this version...
 
From my first post (before the model name was finalized) on the announcement to scheduled deliveries, looks like Jaguar is still right on its ambitious schedule:

edatoakrun said:
Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:01 am

...The amount of detail in the AC story below may indicate Jaguar's first entry in the luxury BESUV market really will be available in dealerships in only ~two years.

Jaguar E-Pace compact SUV will be Jaguar's first EV

Low-roofed, performance oriented electric E-Pace is set to go on sale in 2018; will use Formula E honed tech


Jaguar has been given the green light to launch a compact all-electric SUV by 2018, putting it ahead of its Range Rover sister brand in the race to get a battery-powered vehicle into showrooms...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/jaguar-e-pace-compact-suv-will-be-jaguars-first-ev
Looks like euro deliveries will begin in early September.

First USA delivery date I've seen, as posted on the Tesla forum:

Order # 1454xxxx
Order Date 6/1/18
Last Amendment Possible 6/15/18
Build Date 7/13/18
Delivery Date 9/21/18
Accepted Handover 9/26/18
Planned Handover 9/26/18...

I'm not cancelling my Model 3 reservation, but it will be interesting to see which one is available sooner.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/jaguar-i-pace.88572/page-39

LTLFTcomposite said:
Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:21 pm

By the time December 2018 rolls around and this car is nowhere in sight will anyone even remember this announcement?
 
Jaguar has been given the green light to launch a compact all-electric SUV by 2018
What year is it, Ed ?
Give your best guess -- how many will be produced in the 12 months after delivery #1 ?
 
Embargo lifted, Most reviews seem quite positive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L61--SE04A

...the best electric car on sale today."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_nKDzV7MI
"...0 to 100 KPH in 4.7 seconds...0 to 100 mph in 10.99 seconds"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqtNHuFq5k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHkv5Q8_-44
 
smkettner said:
Not sure how to read that.... 240 miles seems low for 90kWh. Although I don't think the EPA rating is final yet.
Regardless of what the EPA rating is compared to WLTP, anything much under 270 miles is poor for a 90kWh battery. Maybe they're limiting the SoC range.
 
smkettner said:
Not sure how to read that.... 240 miles seems low for 90kWh. Although I don't think the EPA rating is final yet.
It's not.

WLTP ranges are 260 miles and 298 miles respectively, for the two different versions, but I'm not sure how each are equipped:

http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx

Because base USA spec cars have Active Air Suspension (an option in UK, increasing efficiency) but also have 22' wheels as an additional option (not available in UK, decreasing efficiency) the actual ranges for us spec will vary slightly from UK models.

Jaguar may do what most other manufacturers seem to do on their EPA applications-test the most efficient variation to advertise the highest range...

EPA as compared with WLTP ranges for other BEVs have varied from about the same for WLTP and EPA (Bolt) to significantly lower on the EPA than WLTP (2018 LEAF).
 
Glad to see Jaguar gets it, that it is stupid to limit BEVs to a single axle for drive and regen.

Within a few years, I expect 2WD will be limited to only the cheapest of entry-level BEVs.

Comments re superior cooling also indicate that Jaguar may soon be showing the I-PACE humiliating much higher-priced Tesla's on the track, as well as off-pavement, in the near future.

Jaguar Land Rover electric cars to go only AWD

The pioneering Jaguar I-Pace will be the first in a long line of battery-powered Jag- and Land Rover-badged vehicles to send their drive to all four, and not just two, wheels, the carmaker says.

While some electric vehicles including the BMW i3, Nissan’s Leaf and early Tesla models have opted for just one driven axle, Jaguar says an EV must have all-wheel drive if it’s serious about performance, dynamics, practicality and efficiency...

According to the veteran electronics engineer, numerous areas of pure electric vehicle performance suffer as a result of just one driven axle, including traction, stability, cabin space, regenerative braking and vehicle handling.

Walking around the I-Pace, Ziebart said the EV’s near three-metre wheelbase, which boosts interior space, was only made possible by the two-motor solution – an advantage the original Tesla Model S could not brag...

“If you accelerate, the rear motor is the better motor. If you want to recuperate, the front motor is the one. We can recuperate up to 150kW, but if you only do it on the rear axle you are limited to about 60kW.

“If you recover (only) from the front, any longitudinal force you apply reduces your available side force. This then makes the car unstable.”...

Ziebart said the Jaguar’s construction and engineering was superior to the US startup company’s offerings in other areas as well, including the massive battery that is key to range and performance.

“We can draw instantly 300kW out of that which brings the current up to 1200 amps,” he said. “That’s not a problem.”

“The Tesla has a disadvantage as the battery cooling is so poor,” he said...

“What we have seen on the Nurburgring, the Tesla degrades rather quickly whereas this car runs the full lap.”

Tesla refutes Ziebart's claim that its battery cooling is inferior, but the real EV battle starts this October when Jaguar’s I-Pace arrives on Australian dirt and bumps gloves with the larger but identically priced Model X SUV.
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/jaguar-land-rover-electric-cars-to-go-only-awd

The full review references both track and off-pavement testing, BTW.

Jaguar storms into the electric vehicle arena with an impossibly complete first attempt
https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/2018-jaguar-i-pace-review
 
Sounds nice to drive although I don't care for the looks, and the cargo space seems compromised for a CUV. But I'm all for competition, and at least it doesn't have gimmick doors that eliminate much of the utility, while upping the price and weight and lowering the long-term reliability.
 
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