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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:31 pm

2016 Nissan Leaf 30kWh lost 2 bars after 18 months and 31,000 miles.

Drive to/from work everyday round trip of 84 miles in Phoenix, AZ.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:36 pm

cmeyeres wrote:2016 Nissan Leaf 30kWh lost 2 bars after 18 months and 31,000 miles.
Drive to/from work everyday round trip of 84 miles in Phoenix, AZ.

:o at this rate, you are going to get warranty replacement, if not twice. :o
Nov-2017 11043mi 70.4Ahr 88%SOH 82%Hx
May-2017 6866mi 72.9Ahr 91%SOH 87%Hx
Sep-2016 1050mi 74.3Ahr 93%SOH 89%Hx
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:03 pm

cmeyeres wrote:2016 Nissan Leaf 30kWh lost 2 bars after 18 months and 31,000 miles.

Drive to/from work everyday round trip of 84 miles in Phoenix, AZ.

My guess is your battery never gets a chance to cool down is that correct?
From what I've found the optimum temperature for me is between 80 and 90 degrees (2016 sl) but the conditions in these neck of the woods allows the battery to cool down to low 70's or even high 60's between runs and keeps it at 98 to 99% SOH.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:14 am

Being in such a hot climate AND pushing the car to do an 85 mile round trip is pushing the car beyond its capability. Nissan should stop beating their heads against a brick wall and stop selling the Leaf to people in hot climates, who will also abuse the car and then cry for free repairs... Your problem is not a defect of the car.....

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:21 am

powersurge wrote:Being in such a hot climate AND pushing the car to do an 85 mile round trip is pushing the car beyond its capability. Nissan should stop beating their heads against a brick wall and stop selling the Leaf to people in hot climates, who will also abuse the car and then cry for free repairs... Your problem is not a defect of the car.....

I don't think an 85 mile round trip in a car with a 107-mile range qualifies as abuse. And having a battery replaced if it drops below the warrantied capacity during the warranty period isn't crying for free repairs. But you could be right about the current Leaf not being suitable for long commutes in very hot climates.


cmeyeres wrote:2016 Nissan Leaf 30kWh lost 2 bars after 18 months and 31,000 miles.

Drive to/from work everyday round trip of 84 miles in Phoenix, AZ.

Wow! You must have scored one of the first 2016s in Phoenix. Sorry to read about your loss. What's your current range on a single charge? I think ElectricEddy is right about your battery never cooling down. Are you charging at work and did you always charge at work? Do you charge as soon as you get home or do you delay your evening charge?
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4BL: 06/29/13 @ 27 months, 43,520 miles, 42.56 Ahr. New 12 bar battery: 09/09/13
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:33 am

ElectricEddy wrote:
cmeyeres wrote:2016 Nissan Leaf 30kWh lost 2 bars after 18 months and 31,000 miles.

Drive to/from work everyday round trip of 84 miles in Phoenix, AZ.

My guess is your battery never gets a chance to cool down is that correct?
From what I've found the optimum temperature for me is between 80 and 90 degrees (2016 sl) but the conditions in these neck of the woods allows the battery to cool down to low 70's or even high 60's between runs and keeps it at 98 to 99% SOH.


His pack probably won't see double figure temps till October. Phoenix is simply a different World.

I am south in a much warmer climate and I have baked my batteries into the 120's several dozen times but like you, I cool down every night.
(mostly with the exception of last Saturday night when garage got no lower than 82º) Now I might be on borrowed time due to the abusive actions and we shall see. One Summer might not be enough though but my previous 2 LEAFs provided no real indication in the first year either but this first year will be MUCH more miles than previous years .
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:47 am

dhanson865 wrote:
soldcake wrote:i cannot help wondering why Nissan does not have "battery cooler" package for hot weather regions. They have "battery heater" package for cold weather regions. :D


Physics. You can add power to create heat with no practical cost in space or weight. You can't create cold.

Let me repeat, You can't create cold. Full stop.

All you can do is move heat around. And moving heat around takes space and weight of new components that are cumbersome.


And yet, somehow my Chevy Volt figures this out.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:06 pm

2016 SV 7293 miles lost first bar, seems early to me based on other posts. 11/15 manufacture, 10/16 lease start for me, so do not know what the dealership did to the vehicle here in Orlando, FL between those two dates. Fortunately a leased car, so there is an end in sight.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:17 pm

oleviking wrote:2016 SV 7293 miles lost first bar, seems early to me based on other posts. 11/15 manufacture, 10/16 lease start for me, so do not know what the dealership did to the vehicle here in Orlando, FL between those two dates. Fortunately a leased car, so there is an end in sight.


Mine is almost ready to lose first bar too. I am at about 8k ODO, 82% SOH and 79 or so Hx. What were your numbers when the first one dropped?
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
30 Apr 2017 5175 mi 324 GID Ahr 70.75 SOH 89% Hx 85.31% kWh 25.1
11 Aug 2017 11 bar 9245 mi 282 GID Ahr 61.68 SOH 77% Hx 75.83% kWh 21.9
21 Oct 2017 10 bars 12000 mi 260 GID Ahr 57.22 SOH 71% Hx 70.58% kWh 20.2

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:53 am

Just a little earlier than those I suspect. Only really noticed it when I charged to 100% and saw the bar gone. I had noticed the GOM reading was not as high as it had been in the last week or so, but didn't really think too much about it, until I saw the bar had gone, then I knew why the GOM readings had been off.

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